SERIN Timeout

[George]

Hey skimask, Took me a while to understand what you are saying (am a bit slow this far into the week). I think what you are saying would work, tho I'm concerned tho that it would be a bit intermittant as far as timing goes - as your timing may be dependant on what's coming through the airwaves at the time.

Currently I'm thinking about building a squelch circuit which will no doubt limit my range but should enable the serin timeout to work - tho i do think the ideal would be an assembly interupt.

[skimask]

Hey skimask, Took me a while to understand what you are saying (am a bit slow this far into the week). I think what you are saying would work, tho I'm concerned tho that it would be a bit intermittant as far as timing goes - as your timing may be dependant on what's coming through the airwaves at the time.

Currently I'm thinking about building a squelch circuit which will no doubt limit my range but should enable the serin timeout to work - tho i do think the ideal would be an assembly interupt.

Again, do you have access to the data sending unit? Can you change the code in that? I'll thinking you could eliminate the squelch circuit by just adding a load of preamble bytes before the data...
Otherwise...a squelch circuit probably wouldn't work either since you have to break squelch, which takes time, which takes bytes, and so on...
I'm still thinking on this one...

[George]

Yeah, have written the code for the sender so can change that to whatever, I've got "READY" as my qualifier. I'm going to try your idea about using a very short timeout to see how it works 1-2ms I'm thinking at the moment - will be interesting if nothing else to see what effect it has on the time keeping. Thanks for all yr input so far

[skimask]

Yeah, have written the code for the sender so can change that to whatever, I've got "READY" as my qualifier. I'm going to try your idea about using a very short timeout to see how it works 1-2ms I'm thinking at the moment - will be interesting if nothing else to see what effect it has on the time keeping. Thanks for all yr input so far

I just saw that your baud rate is 2400. That's .416 us per bit, a start bit is generally 1.5 bit lengths, which gives you .625us for a start bit. Timeout is limited to 1 ms minimum, it might work, it might not. You might end up waiting for READY, but only able to receive "EADY". I would think if you sent a string of qualifiers (bunch of $AA55's or the like), say 10 of them, wait until you have a solid 5 received, then you should be able to dispense with any timeouts because you signal is strong enough to get the qual's.

[George]

I've got a string of 5 $AA preceeeding the READY, and haven't seemed to have much of a problem getting the data to the receiver - i send the data 5 times on a transmission to make fairly sure it gets through. I've got the timeout at 1ms toggling an LED to indicate to me when it's exiting out of the serin command - it's way random tho can tripout every half second or every 10 minutes. The issue I have is not so much transmitting the data - it's when no data is being transmitted

[George]

Oh the other thing I forgot to mention is that the RF modules r AM so there is alot of static when there is no carrier

[skimask]

Oh the other thing I forgot to mention is that the RF modules r AM so there is alot of static when there is no carrier

ooofff...AM...that hurts
Still, send the data multiple times, add a checksum to the data, receive the data successfully X number of times, blah blah blah... Should be too much of a problem even with all that random AM static noise.
But you're still on the problem of sitting in a SERIN loop waiting for solid data while you still need to do other stuff, correct? How about a 2nd PIC (say a 16F688) that just sits there and waits for data, and when it gets good data, it fires it out a different serial port to the 'real' PIC, which doesn't have to worry about garbage data... Heck, might even be a good spot for a 10F202 to handle that job!!!

[Archangel]

Oh the other thing I forgot to mention is that the RF modules r AM so there is alot of static when there is no carrier

Can you not install a squelch circuit on the receiver?