Q: using MCLR for Input on 12F683

[LinkMTech]

You can set it up for an input from the beginning of the program then still use it later for programming. Just make sure your circuit will still allow the Vpp signal to control it during programming otherwise it will boop at you and report an error.

[mackrackit]

And make sure you circuit will handle the programming voltage.

I like to use some method of isolation when programming. The simplest is a two pin header with a jumper clip.

[picster]

Makes sense, thanks guys - I had planned on input circuit isolation at the pin, but wasn't sure if there was some other issue that I'd run into during subsequent programming...

Thanks again, and happy new year all!

[johnnylynx]

Hi, new to this forum and to PIC's in general. I fly RC and have used a 12F683 to act as failsafe system for 3 servos.

I've tried the pulsout command but the output just goes HI?? (I have scope to check).

Here is the code:

pos var byte ' Define our storage location for the servo position information.
servo var byte ' Define our storage location for the servo number to move.
cont var byte ' Define a variable to hold the count.

' 4 mhz clock internal
' 500 = 1 ms
' 1000 = 2 ms
' 1250 = 2.5 ms


pos = 1250

start:


for cont = 0 to 50
pulsout portb.4,pos ' Send servo# ? to position ?.
pause 20 ' Wait 20 ms.
next cont ' Next pulse.


goto start ' Return to get more serial input.


Can anyone help??

[mackrackit]

Try changing pos to a WORD size var and see if that helps

[johnnylynx]

Try changing pos to a WORD size var and see if that helps

Thanks! it worked on the 16F84A chip.

I'm still having difficulty with the 12F683 though. The pulsout doesn't seem to work. I wonder if the chip supports that command?

I've also tried running the servo by setting the pin high and low timing the high between 1 to 2 ms and the low to 20ms. It works, but it won't accept a decimal number.

at 4 mHz, I need to pause for between .5ms and 2.5ms but it only accepts 1 and 2 !!!

suggestions??

John.

p.s., here's the code:



posit var word

cont var word
cont2 var word
Q var word


let posit = 3/2

Let Q = 25

start:

for cont = 1 to 50
high 0
pause posit
low 0
pause 20
next cont



goto start

[LinkMTech]

It doesn't show in your code so I will assume that the device has not been configured to what you want to do with it since it has other features.
Start by setting the oscillator then the ports with the TRISIO command, found on page 35 of the data sheet, shut OFF the comparators and the A/D feature:

OSCCON = %01100000  ' Ocs set to 4 MHz
TRISIO = %00000000  ' Set all ports to outputs, in this example
CMCON0 = 7                ' Analog comparators off
ANSEL  = 0                ' Analog select set to digital, pg 69 data
ADCON0 = 0                ' A/D turned OFF, pg 68 of data

Then use the PAUSES command instead of PAUSE for a better resolution of the timming you need:
PAUSE 1 gives you 1ms where PAUSES 1000 will do the same but now you can get your 1.5ms with PAUSES 1500.

[g-hoot]

You can set it up for an input from the beginning of the program then still use it later for programming. Just make sure your circuit will still allow the Vpp signal to control it during programming otherwise it will boop at you and report an error.

As a newbie, I was under the impression that the MCLR had to be pulled high when the circuit is powered up, but after reading a little more, I'm not sure. My circuit will have a switch that is either off or on at power up. I'm planning to pull a pin to ground if the switch is on and then I would use internal pull-ups on the pin when it is off. Since I don't program the chips on board, can I use the MCLR pin for the switch, or does it need to be high when the circuit is powered up? That would be awesome if I could free that pin up for use.
Gary

[Melanie]

On the 12F683, MCLR can be handled internally by the PIC (see CONFIG options in the PICs Datasheet), thereby freeing that pin for your use. (equally applies to 12F675 and 16F628 since they were mentioned earlier in this thread).

[g-hoot]

On the 12F683, MCLR can be handled internally by the PIC (see CONFIG options in the PICs Datasheet), thereby freeing that pin for your use. (equally applies to 12F675 and 16F628 since they were mentioned earlier in this thread).

Thank you Melanie,
I looked at the data sheet and see what you are saying. The one thing I'm still not sure about is if the MCLR pin has to be high when the circuit is powered up? If so, then my switch won't work since it may be pulling the pin to ground. This blurb from the PIC Basic Pro manual is what has me confused:

Make sure the /MCLR pin is connected to 5 volts either through some kind of voltage protected reset circuit or simply with a 4.7K resistor. If you leave the pin unconnected, its level floats around and sometimes the PICmicro MCU will work but usually it won=t. The PICmicro MCU has an on-chip power-on-reset circuit so in general just an external pull-up resistor is adequate.

Gary

[Melanie]

If you set the CONFIG for the PIC to handle MCLR internally, then FORGET about MCLR being high or low... it's all handled for you behind the scenes.

Thereafter the pin (that was formally the MCLR pin) is treated as a regular I/O (except that on some PICs it's INPUT ONLY - check with your PICs Datasheet).

If you need the pin to be normally HIGH and it's pulled down by your switch, then you need a PULL-UP Resistor (usually connected between the PIC pin concerned and +5V). Some PICs have internal Pull-Ups you can enable either on a pin-by-pin basis, or globally for an enitire Port. Again check with your Datasheet if the pin you want to use has Pull-Up's available on it - not all pins have them.

If you need the pin to be normally LOW and pulled-up by your switch (not a recommended way of connection - but it will work), then you need a PULL-DOWN Resistor (usually connected between the PIC pin concerned and 0v). You will have to provide one of those yourself externally as the PIC will not provide one internally. Any value between 4K7 and 22K would probably suffice.

[g-hoot]

If you set the CONFIG for the PIC to handle MCLR internally, then FORGET about MCLR being high or low... it's all handled for you behind the scenes.

Thereafter the pin (that was formally the MCLR pin) is treated as a regular I/O (except that on some PICs it's INPUT ONLY - check with your PICs Datasheet).

If you need the pin to be normally HIGH and it's pulled down by your switch, then you need a PULL-UP Resistor (usually connected between the PIC pin concerned and +5V). Some PICs have internal Pull-Ups you can enable either on a pin-by-pin basis, or globally for an enitire Port. Again check with your Datasheet if the pin you want to use has Pull-Up's available on it - not all pins have them.

If you need the pin to be normally LOW and pulled-up by your switch (not a recommended way of connection - but it will work), then you need a PULL-DOWN Resistor (usually connected between the PIC pin concerned and 0v). You will have to provide one of those yourself externally as the PIC will not provide one internally. Any value between 4K7 and 22K would probably suffice.

This is great news! Thank you for explaining it so well.
Gary