what programmer to use with 18F452 ?

[Ramonetnet]

I have read lots of old posts about my question,
and I would like to ask it again in April 2008 ...

If I want to use Microchip PIC 18F452, what is the best programmer to use ?

Ok ... tell me 2 of them : one, free, and another not free ...

The ones I have found are :

(*) free :

>>> http://home.vrweb.de/~lotharstolz/st...vpc/index.html
Seems I can't make it work because my serial port only delivers 10 volts ...

(*) not free : PIC-PG2C, 19 €.

>>> http://www.olimex.com/dev/pic-pg2c.html

[Ramonetnet]

I am very sorry I posted few (general) questions in the "basic" forum

Can the moderator move them to the apropiate place ?

Thanks.

[mackrackit]

Buy the PICKIT2 from Microchip and save yourself the headache.
http://www.microchip.com/stellent/id...cName=en023805

[mister_e]

Yes, yes, yes... at least PICKIT 2. More benefits than any others low cost one(jdm, Taits or else based one)

[Acetronics2]

PICKIT 2 = Best performance / price !!!!

and it's " designed for ..." by ... Microchip.

That means reliable upgrading for years and years ...

Alain

[Ramonetnet]

OK - if you 3 agree in that, maybe I shall skip those "cheap" programmers ..

I was about to buy this one :

PIC-PG2C @ http://www.olimex.com/dev/pic-pg2c.html = 19 €.

OK - I go to the page pointer to by mr mackrackit ...

but the Part Number: PG164120 - PICkit 2 Microcontroller Programmer (23,84 €)

HAS NO SOCKET AT ALL, neither for the 18F452 !

The "Part Number: DV164120 - PICkit 2 Starter Kit" (34,06 €) has a "Low Pin Count Demo Board containing a PIC16F690 PDIP", and it explicitly says "The PICkit 2 Low Pin Count Demo Board supports 8-, 14-, and 20-pin PICmicros", and the 18F452 has 40 pins !

What am I doing wrong ?

I did write to Microchip, asked to program a 18F452 and a 18F4520,
and they pointed me to "Part Number: DV003001 - PICSTART PLUS DEVELOPMENT SYSTEM" which goes up to 136 € !

Thanks for your patience ! Ramon.