Just a couple of proposed Melabs products. Oh ! Found an old PIC progammer board in my sons rubish, date 1992/ pic 17c42 /\\I/O / 28 pins zif. He used it for his end work 1994. A sun follower system. Seems it becomes actual nowadays. At that time I prefered playing arround a while with FPGA's from Xilinx !!. Gaved up when their shematic compiller disapeared. I'll order the BPpro today, keep you informed. I digged up a couple of old but brand new LCD 2x16 and 1x16, guess the expirimentors board will be home made. The virus becomes alive again. Greetings Jos