bisiklet hız ölçer (bicycle speedmetre )

[T.Jackson]

I think it's a bit rude coming to a multicultural, English speaking forum, posting stuff in your own native language only. Probably better to either post two versions, one in English and the other in your own language, or alternatively, just make use of the forums primary fundamental language. English.

[Acetronics2]

Hi, Zaferakbay

What's the problem ???

a flat tire ??? a bent handlebar ???

...

Alain

[sayzer]

This is not the first time people are posting in their own language.

But, since I am Turkish, let me translate what is written above (for free).

Our friend says that he made a device that measures the speed of his bicycle.

He says he wanted to share it here.


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Also,

I think it's a bit rude coming to a multicultural, English speaking forum, posting stuff in your own native language only. Probably better to either post two versions, one in English and the other in your own language, or alternatively, just make use of the forums primary fundamental language. English.

A multicultural forum is not entitled to one language (in this case to English).

Speaking about "multicultural" requires us to think about the meaning of "multi".

Since we know very well about what "multi" means, then we can not say "English speaking multicultural forum".

Yes, English is one language widely spoken. But, why should someone supposed to speak English to post on a multicultural forum?




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[Acetronics2]

Bonjour Jules,

c'est vraiment très gentil à lui.

N'oublies pas de le remercier pour moi, dans sa langue maternelle, bien entendu.

Amitiés et à bientôt

Alain

[skimask]

But, since I am Turkish, let me translate what is written above (for free).
Our friend says that he made a device that measures the speed of his bicycle.
He says he wanted to share it here.

And here I was...spending the last couple of days using Babelfish (and other translation type sites) to try to translate the Turkish (is that correct?), thinking that there might've been a code problem the guy was trying to figure out...

[Pic_User]

Hi Zaferakbay,
gerçekten güzel uygulama teşekkür ediyorum.
Nice work,
-Adam-

[turkuaz]

Arkadaşlar siz onların dediğine aldırmayın Türkçe yazabilirsiniz.Bunlar Dünyanın sadece kendilerine ait olduğunu sanıyorlar. Burada bizlerde varız .

Hi Everyone.
The man who post his message in his own language maybe has alittle bit english word that enought to use pic.(as me) But he want to sahare his paroject or want help from others.This is free forum area and he can send his message .If you do not know his language and want to read his message you want help who know his language to translate in english.
English is not only language speeking allover the World.We learn english why you do not learn other language_?......

[keithdoxey]

English is not only language speeking allover the World.We learn english why you do not learn other language_?......

That is very true and a good question.

Speaking ONLY for myself, I am ashamed to say that english is my only language. I can recognise a few bits of other languages but couldnt respond to people in their native tongue.

The difficulty with learing a second language is which one do you chose ?

For a non english speaker the choice is obvious, you chose English because that tends to be the "international" language.

At school over 30 years ago, the only language available to learn was French and that was taught by someone who didnt sound particularly convincing.

I'm not convinced that learning French would have helped me much either becasue despite France being the closest country to the UK my time spent in other countries is as follows

France - 4 days - Eurodisney
Cyprus - 2 weeks
Spain - 8 weeks - Benidorm
USA - 5 Weeks - California, Arizona, Nevda, Florida
Malta - 2 Weeks

The town where I live has for a long time had quite a large Greek Cypriot community (about 3000) but over the last 2 or 3 years there has been an influx of migrant workers from other EU countries notably Portugal, Poland and Latvia. Again I dont think that being able to speak French would have been of much benefit.

When I first got a Satellite TV system I could pick up loads of German TV stations for free so enrolled on a German Language course at the local college but a week before it was due to start they phoned me to say it was canceled and did I want to learn Dutch instead. I declined because all the Dutch channels were in English with Dutch subtitles so I could understand the programs anyway !!!

I really would like to be able to speak another language but as explained above it is so hard to decide which one. I suppose the way to decide is to look at what languages are the most spoken or where you are going to communicate with people.

Pos  	Language  	Speakers (Millions)  Where Spoken (Major)
  
1 	Mandarin 	1051 		China, Malaysia, Taiwan 
2 	English 	510 		USA, UK, Australia, Canada, New Zealand 
3 	Hindi 		490 		North and Central India 
4 	Spanish 	425 		The Americas, Spain 
5 	Arabic 		255 		Middle East, Arabia, North Africa 
6 	Russian 	254 		Russia, Central Asia 
7 	Portuguese 	218 		Brazil, Portugal, Southern Africa 
8 	Bengali 	215 		Bangladesh, Eastern India 
9 	Malay, 		175 		Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore 
10 	French 		130 		France, Canada, West Africa, Central Africa 
11 	Japanese 	127 		Japan 
12 	German 		123 		Germany, Austria, Central Europe 
13 	Farsi (Persian)	110 		Iran, Afghanistan, Central Asia 
14 	Urdu 		104 		Pakistan, India 
15 	Punjabi 	103 		Pakistan, India 
16 	Vietnamese 	86 		Vietnam, China 
17 	Tamil 		78 		Southern India, Sri Lanka, Malyasia 
18 	Wu 		77 		China 
19 	Javanese 	76 		Indonesia 
20 	Turkish 	75 		Turkey, Central Asia 
21 	Telugu 		74 		Southern India 
22 	Korean 		72 		Korean Peninsula 
23	Marathi 	71 		Western India 
24 	Italian 	61 		Italy, Central Europe 
25 	Thai 		60 		Thailand, Laos 
26 	Cantonese 	55 		Southern China 
27 	Gujarati 	47 		Western India, Kenya 
28 	Polish 		46 		Poland, Central Europe 
29 	Kannada 	44 		Southern India 
30 	Burmese 	42 		Myanmar

As you can see from that list, for most people the obvious choise as a second language is English (Mandarin is only higher in the list due to the vast number of people in China) but for an English speaker I suppose we should learn Mandarin, Hindi, Spanish and Arabic as a second language.

English speakers also have less incentive to learn a second language due to the fact that whoever we communicate with tends to have learnt English as their second language

[Melanie]

Whilst there is no objection posting in any language, after Chinese Mandarin (which is a little difficult replicating in ASCII), English is probably the most commonly spoken language on the planet. So much so, that in many avenues, English is mandatory (eg International Air Traffic Control). Want to be a pilot? Then speak English, otherwise you're limited to domestic-only flights. Even French pilots begrudgingly speak English!

Now for the forum. MeLabs PICBasic on whose products this forum is based, is produced by English speaking people from an English speaking country. The forum is run and owned by English speaking people in a different English speaking country. The Administrators of this forum are English speaking. The majority of members have English as a language, perhaps not their primary language, but at least it is one of them. If this was a Turkish owned or operated forum you could have an argument for allowing totally native language postings.

As Administrators of this forum we have a dilema, do we allow a foreign language posting in the knowledge it could contain offensive or illegal material which could bring the forum generally into disrepute or indeed have it closed-down, or do we allow it?

You will argue that there are a few Turkish speaking members. But if it did contain offensive language, how many of you would immediately have reported it for removal? What if the offensive message was posted in native Nepalese, Swahili or even Navajo? How many members do we have that speak those languages? To err on the side of caution, the tendancy is to DELETE postings that cannot be positively identified as safe.

On the other hand if somebody asked for help in Melanesian or Dinka could you help them? Could anybody? If they were offensive postings, who would know?

A lot of English speaking people on this forum DO already speak another language (not nescessarilly Turkish). But there is one common international language for communication - and this is an international forum. Unfortunately, like it or not, that commonality is the English language - after all, even computer BASIC is a sub-dialect of ENGLISH.