PICs - Playground or 'serious' microcontroller

[selbstdual]

Do you have PICs in Security Camera's? Yes.
Do you have PICs in Remote Camera Platforms? Yes.
Do you have PICs in Camera Quads? Yes.
Do you have PICs in Security Recording Devices? Yes.
Do you have PICs in PIR Sensors? Yes.
Do you have PICs in Break-Glass Detectors? Yes.
Do you have PICs in Vibration Sensors? Yes.
Do you have PICs in Microwave Doppler Detectors? Yes.
Do you have PICs in Burglar Alarm Controllers? Yes.
Do you have PICs in High Security Line Drivers? Yes.
Do you have PICs in Alarm Autodiallers? Yes.
Do you have PICs in Secure Door Access Controls? Yes.
Do you have PICs in Secure Credit Card Readers? Yes.
Do you have PICs in Bank Front-Office Transaction Terminals? Yes.
Do you have PICs in ATM's? (Cash Machines for those who don't know what an ATM is) Yes.

umm... how big a security list do you want?

I see no proof for any item. Do you have any ?

[mackrackit]

selbstdual,

Are you a professional? Your bio says you are a tax inspector, so you must be an armature in electronics.

Many of the people on this forum (myself included) make their living one way or another with electronics. Also, I would guess that many of these people (myself included again) are doing custom jobs (less than 1000 units) or proto-typing for a larger firm, working under a given set of specifications. I know of some that are doing R+D for projects with military specifications.

Why should someone here provide proof to you that the parts we use are used in other products.
Many have posted on this thread telling you that they use PICs in their security devices or that they know PICs are used in security devices. Yet you ask for proof. You even denied the sales statistics given for PICs. I see that as you calling the people on this forum liars.

You sir owe many an apology.

[Melanie]

I wasn't aware that I had to provide proof of every statement I make.

Here is Microchips annual report...

http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/e...Y07_Annual.pdf

Perhaps selbstdual can tell us where $1billion worth of sales went...

Actually if I was the President of Microchip, I wouldn't give a sh*t if every one of my chips went into a toy as long as the money keeps rolling into the Bank!

Good luck to them and to the rest of us that earn a damn-good living from this business.

[keithdoxey]

I see no proof for any item. Do you have any ?

No... but I trust what Melanie says. I have seen PICs in many products including some that have the numbers erased from chips.

Your responses to well thought out replies within this thread indicate that no matter what we say you will still argue the point so therefore this thread is nothing more than a troll and I will not contribute to it nor any other of your posts any more.

[Luciano]

Hi,

The brain is an organ like all of the other organs in the body.
The brain is vulnerable to a great many disorders, many of them chronic.
DysPICxia is a very rare disorder with a worldwide incidence of 0.5
to 1.0 cases per million per year.

Be tolerant!

Best regards,

Luciano

[RussMartin]

Perhaps selbstdual would be happier using something from the 8051 family of devices, and BASIC for it (maybe BASCOM-51). There are plenty of forums and support!

(Oops--I forgot; there are a lot of "amateurs" using 8051s! Darn! )

[NF9Ω]

Perhaps selbstdual would be happier using something from the 8051 family of devices, and BASIC for it (maybe BASCOM-51). There are plenty of forums and support!

(Oops--I forgot; there are a lot of "amateurs" using 8051s! Darn! )

8051 (AT) series have no security. One can Extract code easily with some tricks.
Microchip have great security except F84, So my point of view, PIC is 'serious' micro.

[T.Jackson]

Hi,

The brain is an organ like all of the other organs in the body.
The brain is vulnerable to a great many disorders, many of them chronic.
DysPICxia is a very rare disorder with a worldwide incidence of 0.5
to 1.0 cases per million per year.

You'll probably find that some of the cat scan systems have a PIC buried somewhere in them.

[selbstdual]

If it was so easy to earn money with chips why isn't everyone doing it ?

Go into detail how one could make much money with microchips. And by detail I am talking about "including proof".

[T.Jackson]

If it was so easy to earn money with chips why isn't everyone doing it ?

Go into detail how one could make much money with microchips. And by detail I am talking about "including proof".

You're completely missing the plot (or perhaps in the process of losing it) - It's the end result / product that counts, not what's inside. BTW: Good luck in getting people to give away their trade secrets on how to make it rich. LMFAO

[RussMartin]

If it was so easy to earn money with chips why isn't everyone doing it ?

It isn't clear to me whether you mean by manufacturing them or by designing with them. Also: Not everyone is doing digital or digital/analog designs. (There are still plenty of analog-only applications out there!) Further, there are a lot of people with ideas but without sufficient knowledge--especially in some fundamental aspects of electronics--to execute them.

It's my job to take another person's idea and make it a reality. I don't invent products, I design them for other people. I'm a superannuated engineer (57 as of 10 days ago), but not, I hope, completely obsolete. I'm still always learning to work with new devices and applications. And I've managed make a comfortable living doing it.

Go into detail how one could make much money with microchips. And by detail I am talking about "including proof".

Do you mean "microchips" generically? Or Microchip's (the company's) products?

I don't know what for you constitutes "proof". I'm not going to post my designs or name my clients or disclose my earnings (that's between me and the IRS!). The intellectual properties belong to me, and my clients have a proprietary interest that I am contractually obliged to honor. Unlike Melanie, I don't know any people who have become millionaires, but I do know several who have made handsome sums of money from their designs.

It wasn't a PIC application, but I did have the good fortune to have a rather unique design go into space on shuttle mission STS-95 in 1998. It used a 68HC11; the code was done mostly in Small C and the rest in assembler.

Further deponent sayeth not.

[selbstdual]

Great information.

[Normnet]

Originally Posted by Normnet:
Is BlackFin code in C?
What applications in Blackfin?
Norm

Originally answered by mister_e:
Variant of C/C++ and / Or assembler.

Mainly for multiformat audio, image processing, video. Pretty sure it's fast enough to generate color video without too much effort.

Since now i just updated some customer firmware and did some test. REALLY impressive, but... not something i would use daily.

regards
Steve

I am looking into Blackfin.
It seems to be the most powerfull uC available.
600 MHz, 32bit, interface to nand, DDR, SD, LCD, touchscreen, audio, ethernet, high speed USB and hosting, ATAPI hard drive, etc.

Drawbacks are in C, mostly BGA surface mount and IDE/compiler.

Which IDE/compiler are you using?

Norm

[mister_e]

Well, as usual when i decide to buy something i go crazy.. I byed everything which is not free or not given by Analog Device.

So go there
http://www.analog.com/processors/bla...ent/crosscore/
Select everything from Software and Third Party Tools column in full version... and that's what i used.

How much for the whole thing??? Surprise surprise

[T.Jackson]

I byed everything which is not free or not given by Analog Device.

Bought mister_e, you bought everything.

[muddy0409]

OK, PICs in security equipment?
The range of panels made by CADDX (USA) and sold in Australia as NX-4, NX-8 etc by Direct alarm Supplies are ALL built around PICs.
Also the range of PARADOX panels (Canada), sold in Australia by Security Merchants also are built around PICs.
Bound to be more out there that I don't know about 'cos I don't use them..

[T.Jackson]

Bet your mouse has one - I recall reading that in the Silicon Chip magazine some many years ago. This was when PICs were first introduced into the publication back around 99. How about modern-day optical ones, is that statement still applicable?

[picnaut]

Hello,

I know that this post is a little late (a few months after-the-fact actually), but I’m sorry, Selbstdual is mentally challenged (I’d use the term “retard”, but I’m trying to be politically correct here). He obviously has no clue about engineering.

I work for a company that generates billions of dollars worth of revenue each year.
We have a strong presence in security, medical and safety.
We use PICs in lots of devices.
We also use Atmels in similar devices.

We had an interface board for a mobile video recorder (the kind the cops rely on) that used a PIC.
Well, we had to rev the board due to an obsolete OSD chip.
Since the original PIC code was written in assembly, and the engineer who was in charge of the re-design was an Atmel fan (and had a C-compiler), the PIC was replaced with an Atmel processor. That’s when we started having problems. The first wave of returns was caused by a code bug created by the engineer. It turned out to be easily fixed and we moved on. A year later we got another wave of returns. This time it was because Atmel made a small change without proper notification to their suppliers, or changing the part number, and our code broke because of it.

To make a long story short, a lot of a product’s reliability is dependent on the engineer not the part used. As for the PIC being a reliable part, Microchip has sold billions of them for a reason. There is no way, at their relatively low cost, that those sales were mainly to hobbyists. That’s a joke. One would have to be on glue to think so.



Picnaut

[picnaut]

These guys ONLY use PICs in their devices and their equipment is responsible for protecting lives every day.

http://www.critical-environment.com/

P.S.
By the way, the company I work for...think "bees" and the movie "The Ring".