im at work now, but i will have a look at the MCLR diode when i get home... like i said, im just going by what the nuts and volts says for ICSP, it may be wrong for this chip.. and thats exactly why i appreciate youre help... because i have never used this chip before either, so im learning lots as i go..

about breadboarding, is there an easy way to put a PLCC on a breadboard?? without making a board with a header than can be plugged into the breadboard???

when you said "kit" i dont know if you meant selling it, cause im just doing this fur fun, but i guess anything is possible...

i will look at the sharp corners... i know they arent good, but i didnt think it was as big of a deal as it seems....