Quote Originally Posted by Gary Goddard View Post
The led lights fine if connected to the pic vdd so its all waiting there for the pic to wake up. That's what I mean; it should work yet no life.
Does you programmer have a verify chip function (it should, but I figured I'd ask anyways)? I've got a Warp13 and one thing that's tripped me up in the past is turning off the verify function 'cause I assumed it was programming a chip, then after hours of trying to figure out what's wrong, I find my programmer cable dangling over the edge of the table. It didn't tell me the chip wasn't programmed 'cause it didn't check! Go figure, but it happens...

Have you tried putting one chip in, program it, pull it out, try a verify, which obviously should fail, then put a seperate chip in (same type of course), try a verify, again, should fail. If they don't, the programmer might not actually be programming...maybe, perhaps? could happen...

Watch the PGC and PGD pins during programming on a 'scope (assuming you have one)? The PGC should be cycling regularly and PGD quite erratic. Make sure the MCLR gets pulled all the way up to +12v during programming?

Just a smathering of a few ideas flustered forth from my fingers for ya....

Do you have a 'scope? Have you 'scoped the resonator pins? Anything? Or just put a meter on the pins to ground, should have about 1.5-ish volts on them with power.