Yep I agree - time to get a new programmer - I've been trying to find a PicKIT2 in the UK - one place has them for £44 another for £12 !! - both are out of stock. The only thing I don't like about the PicKIT2 is that is ISCP - but I 'spose I'll get used to it...

Oh and I tried those changed - guess what.......... ?

It ERRORED !!!!!! -

Thanks mate for all your help.. I've picked up a thing or two along the way, so it hasn't all been in vien.....