Can It Be this SIMPLE? (the Off-Topic continuation)

[Mike_Lynch]

whoever invented air-con, well.........

Isn’t air conditioning an offshoot of refrigeration?

Without refrigeration we (I) would have to make a lot more trips to the store to buy Fresh Meat,
Dairy, Produce Products (burning more Gas). Trucks would have to bring the products to market
more often, (Burning More Gas). Products which come from producers FAR away would never
make it to market before spoiling. There would be NO Ice-Cream, Frozen Yogurt.
(NO Ice-Cream may just trigger the downfall of civilization as we know it.)
Look at all the products in your cupboard / pantry that say “refrigerate after opening” on the label.
Would you want to purchase those in “one time use” package sizes, resulting in more waste in the
landfills and requiring the burning of more gas to haul to the dump? No Ice for your soda, no cold beer,
(NO COLD BEER would be worse than no Ice-cream) Look in your refrigerator / ice box and
think about all the things that you wouldn’t be able to have or keep for more than a day or so.

[f_lez]

]There would be NO Ice-Cream, Frozen Yogurt.
(NO Ice-Cream may just trigger the downfall of civilization as we know it.)

Look at all the products in your cupboard / pantry that say “refrigerate after opening” on the label.

(NO COLD BEER would be worse than no Ice-cream) Look in your refrigerator / ice box and
think about all the things that you wouldn’t be able to have or keep for more than a day or so.

My granny never had a fridge, we had a celler, it was cooler down their and thats where she kept things that needed to be cooler.

I can see that without ice cream etc etc but thats because we are used to having it, at the expense of the planet.

Ice cream is the new planet killer (tm)

I just think we are not doing it right, we should not be trying to modify our environment to the extent that we curerently are, the knock on effect is damn big and its going to come back and bite future generations.

I have a refrigerator, and only a month ago I was discussing with the wife about moving it from out the kitchen into the back yard so its no longer working like an indoor heat pump, then maybe I can turn down the fan on my desk....


Its little things like this what can help.


Everything we seem to 'invent' seems to be just another fuel hungry monster, the computer, emm, about 100 watts for an old one, the newer ones even more, cell phones, not great, but whats the power consumption of the infrastructure running them, all those transmitters, computers, routers etc etc, add on the last 10 years explosion of the internet, all those isp's and the servers running night and day.

We need more power every day, its a spiral, at least we may get more power stations but the only option now is nuclear....

I did hear that the nuclear generators on submarines cant do a chenobyl because they dont contain enough explosive material, so why do we build big dangerous ones instead of a hundred smaller safe ones???


If it was not for the chilled vodka, how would I sleep at night........

[Mike_Lynch]

Nuclear Powered Refrigeration . . .

Now THAT is a subject, which just screams for SERIOUS R&D money to be thrown at it.
Did we just solve global warming? . . . OK, so where IS Osama Bin Ladens hideout?

[Acetronics2]

Hi, F Lez

< I have a refrigerator, and only a month ago I was discussing with the wife about moving it from out the kitchen into the back yard so its no longer working like an indoor heat pump >

Sorry, but it is really a false assertion ...

The heat you pump in the room ( entering the fridge ) ... you bring it to the backside of the fridge ... so, IN THE ROOM !!! , just adding the compressor running electric energy.

Globally ... you heat your room !!!

So, ... a split system is the solution for summer, and a conventional one for the winter .

Alain

[f_lez]

Hi, F Lez
Sorry, but it is really a false assertion ...

The heat you pump in the room ( entering the fridge ) ... you bring it to the backside of the fridge ... so, IN THE ROOM !!! , just adding the compressor running electric energy.


Alain

but if its a 150w motor, its a 150 watt of heat going into the air, minus electrical energy thats converted to noise.

If its hot, I dont want that extra heat inside the house....

[Acetronics2]

but if its a 150w motor, its a 150 watt of heat going into the air, minus electrical energy thats converted to noise.

Noooooo,

Noise is also a kind of energy ( pressure ); it is also converted IN YOUR ROOM, into heat. ( supposing you do not hear your fridge from outside ... let's keep serious ... ).

But note this amount of energy is ... ridiculous !!!

so, split system ... and compressor outside the room !!!


to JOE

" Check the 12th Green in Palm Springs. He probably has a house right there."

May be, May be, ... but he's got a much better protection : OIL !!!

Alain

[Archangel]

Nuclear Powered Refrigeration . . .

. . OK, so where IS Osama Bin Ladens hideout?

Check the 12th Green in Palm Springs. He probably has a house right there.