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    When I first started with PICs, nobody really pointed me to the 'Electrical Specifications' section. I found it, read thru a few, found a lot of stuff to be generic across all families, some are family specific, and very few are device specific.
    Now you know...and there ya go...
    Have fun...don't burn anything up!

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    How to get the most out of the forum. (Draft)
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    maybe if there was a simple thread on how to read a datasheet might be better. It could be just the basiscs, such as setting ports to digital, analogue or a mixture, what the bits do what. My suggestion would be to keep it generic to families if PICs (such as the 12F family that default to analogue rather than digital as this often crops up)

    I agree that telling someone to RTFM isn't a lot of help, but I also agree that if you go to deep with this sort of thread you'll end up re-writing the datasheet, and then it becomes a reference manual rather than a sheet !

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    Wink Learning without any effort ... possible ???

    Hi, All

    Thinking to the Basic question ...

    My opinion is a special thread giving the appropriate links to find the solution of the so-called " Problem" ( 99% of time LOL ! ) , instead of SOLVING the problem is more than enough ...

    Hi, Adam

    Just a little humouristic question :

    What do the beginners win, having correctly completed the reading of the "suggestions" post ??? ...

    being serious ... such thing would frighten them more than help them ...

    nobody wants to read anything today, ... just want to stay anonymous and get the "ready to go" solution ...

    That's it ... we are old dinausors ...

    Alain
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    Default Dinosaurs

    We are far worse than old dinosaurs.

    Having just returned from the Alaska cruise, I've just witnessed first hand that we are hell-bent on "sedentary entertainment". (we are here, entertain us)

    Of the approximately 1900 "guests" on the boat, I wonder if anybody else noticed that the "navigation tv" showed the wind coming across the bow from the 2PM position from the time we left Vancouver till the time we returned and tied up at Canada Place. 7 days.

    I couldn't help but think of the wind direction pic project. I thought that the folks who were involved with the wind direction thread would maybe get a smile out of that.....

    Gary

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