That's what I thought Melanie but when I tried that the chip locked up and won't allow for an erase or a reprogram.

Should it matter that I have a 5k pull-down resistor on the MCLR pin since I am using it as an input? I think I also have 5k pull-downs on the ICSPData and ICSPCLK pins also.

I'm starting to think this is more of a schematic issue then a config issue.

Thanks again for any thoughts, they are much appreciated