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Answering my own question an FYI to all.
It's the OTP parts that have this not recommended message....at least the ones I inquired about.
So time for a new programmer and some 12F509 to play with.
Unless anyone knows if a P16pro40 can be made to work with a 12F509?
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It will support the 12F629 and 12F675 using the free version of the software from www.picallw.com.
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winpicprog at this site
http://www.winpicprog.co.uk/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=235
supports almost all flash pics with a 16pro40
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