Hi Mr. Wolf,
To avoid a "flame war", you may want to limit your "enthusiastic" comments to the Proton User site.
Just a suggestion.
Have a great day everyone.
Regards,
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Hi Mr. Wolf,
To avoid a "flame war", you may want to limit your "enthusiastic" comments to the Proton User site.
Just a suggestion.
Have a great day everyone.
Regards,
---> picnaut
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Bah easy and/or faster way is still the only way to never learn and be scewed up if it doesn't work as you wish and it's not related to your own fault.
I tried PROTON too before AND became a BETA TESTER for them... and i returned to PBP ONLY. I guess nobody's working the same way.
Oh well, if i'd, and many others, never tried to learn something diging in datasheet, here and there.... .... .... to know how to make workable XYZ routine or hardware, i'd probably did the same thing myself too... but not my case, i still prefer to learn something.
I have no regrets in the cash investment, it's tax deductible anyway but not he time i lost playing with
Steve
It's not a bug, it's a random feature.
There's no problem, only learning opportunities.
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Proton Beta Tester?
Um, what beta testing did you do exactly?Originally Posted by mister_e
I mean, beta testing implies that you're in a "recognized" group of beta-testers who are testing stuff and providing performance feedback to the developers.
It also implies that you are "slightly higher up the food chain" than the average user.
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this Steve.
Regards,
---> picnaut
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Regards,
__________________
---> picnaut (aka Mister P - PBP "Ultra" Beta Tester)
Am I to assume the next step up is "Master" Beta Tester? I've heard about that group! (Sorry, I couldn't resist that one! Disregard this post, in fact, don't read it...Stop now...I mean it! It's a total waste of time. Skip right to the next one.Thanks, Ron)
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Um, that made me chuckle.
---> picnaut
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I heard the "Master" Beta Tester group only test their personal code privately, but may resort to applying various forms of mechanical stimulus to generate specific test outcomes...
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I've been a PBP user some years now, and it served me well. But, as my projects start to become more & more complicated, I've begun to realize that PBP's capabilities won't be enough for my work. Missing math, string , arrays... are starting to be main problem in all of my new projects, and it is more noticeable now when I switched from 16F to 18F series. After investigating, I found only 3 valuable "players" on market: PBP, Proton+ and MicroBasic. A plain and simple truth is that PBP is less capable compiler of those 3. MicroBasic proved to be good compiler, bat buggy and it has more C than basic like syntax (and I REALLY HATE C). But Proton+ was a revelation to me: it has almost same syntax as PBP and it is loaded with features. Also it is as solid as PBP (i.e. rock solid).So far I didn't try PDS but only older version of standalone compiler, but probably will buy PDS in near future.
My advice to you is: If you are a begginer, go with Microbasic (if you are on the budget) or Proton PDS. With both of them you got more capabilities, but also something even more valuable: the product that is developing, and for witch you can get a new features (for free also).
If you already have some valuable project in PBP, stick with it as long as you can, although limited it is a stable and good compiler, and you will save some money buy not bying another compiler.
Last edited by lab310; - 18th January 2006 at 11:03.
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Once i buyed AND register my compiler, i've been asked to join the BETA TESTER team (yeah no freebies, no better price, not much advantage than other user but a newer compiler version... also named BETA version ). I WAS a beta tester for few months, trying, get issues, trying to find fix, posting in the 'Hidden' BETA TESTER area, got some reply from a person X, finnaly post 1-2 question elsewhere, never gpt any replys.... SO i found that it wasn't my place and more than likely the people who i posted those comments/question/fixed didn't care so i finnally gave up but keep my 'kind of privilege'.
Few months later, i post my comment on a specific thread, wich seems to have chucked some sensitive CROWNHILL'S developper and/or developper's friend... so they gently remove me from the team. Period.
i think it's enough. Wanna have more comments and the whole story, the related thread? => PM.
Steve
It's not a bug, it's a random feature.
There's no problem, only learning opportunities.
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Oh by the way...
If you're so totally in love with Proton, why on earth do you spend so much time on the PBP forum?
Why are you not sharing your obvious wealth of knowledge with Proton users on their forum?
Yeah i know you`re e registered PBP owner but, if PROTON is the only you use...
Also read the Proton todays post under 18F8722 AND Consider this
Added support for devices: - v3.1.7
18F6310, 18F6390, 18F6410, 18F6490, 18F6520, 18F6525, 18F6621, 18F6622, 18F6627, 18F6722
18F8310, 18F8390, 18F8410, 18F8490, 18F8520, 18F8525, 18F8621, 18F8627, 18F8722
When all you have done is to copy/paste "14-bit core" header files, is this really added support?
No one could have ever tested a "single line of code" on these new processors with this
NEW version of this compiler, so how the hell do they know the compiler works with them?
Why should anyone trust a compiler when they can't even get the header files correct?
I simply do NOT have the time to sit & verify hundreds of header files against a datasheet
before I use the compiler or a new PIC. Even an old PIC. How do I trust the header files if
I don't sit down & verify "every single one" first?
These files are "WAY" too important to simply clone for all new processors.
Do "I" trust it. Absolutely NOT.
Oh well i guess i'd go "WAY" too far this time. Sorry for sensitive ears
Last edited by mister_e; - 19th January 2006 at 03:17.
Steve
It's not a bug, it's a random feature.
There's no problem, only learning opportunities.
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Well, first of all Steve, in answer to your question (which kind of sounds like my 13 year old is asking it), I actually come in here to help people, and rarely to "start" a conversation about PDS versus PBP. If you hadn't noticed, I didn't start this thread. Besides, your question is kind of silly. You have more posts on the PDS forum than I have on this forum so, "if you're so totally in love with PBP...", well, you get my point.
Anyway, I browse the PBP forum and see if there's something general that I can help people with (i.e. hardware, logic flow). For instance, I noticed that someone wanted a program that would back up code automatically. So, I wrote a piece of software that works with PBP and PDS. I did that to help other PIC programmers. But, maybe, I shouldn't bother contributing on this forum any more.
In any case, I didn't join this thread to start trouble, just to provide a little balance. And, as for your "Proton beta tester" contributions, I've heard both sides of the story regarding this and, personally, I wouldn't rate you too highly as a Proton authority. Something tells me your DJ skills are probably suspect too.
Have a nice day.
---> picnaut
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As i told i was a BETA TESTER
Have a nice day as well
Steve
It's not a bug, it's a random feature.
There's no problem, only learning opportunities.
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Sir:
Well, first of all Steve, in answer to your question (which kind of sounds like my 13 year old is asking it), I actually come in here to help people, and rarely to "start" a conversation about PDS versus PBP. If you hadn't noticed, I didn't start this thread. Besides, your question is kind of silly. You have more posts on the PDS forum than I have on this forum so, "if you're so totally in love with PBP...", well, you get my point.
Anyway, I browse the PBP forum and see if there's something general that I can help people with (i.e. hardware, logic flow). For instance, I noticed that someone wanted a program that would back up code automatically. So, I wrote a piece of software that works with PBP and PDS. I did that to help other PIC programmers. But, maybe, I shouldn't bother contributing on this forum any more.
In any case, I didn't join this thread to start trouble, just to provide a little balance. And, as for your "Proton beta tester" contributions, I've heard both sides of the story regarding this and, personally, I wouldn't rate you too highly as a Proton authority. Something tells me your DJ skills are probably suspect too.
Have a nice day.
Have you tried Porting PDS "SD file system" fom Proton to PBP? I am in need of help using MMC and SD as a scoreboard logger and directly output as excel file
Yours Trully,
Ryan
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Point well taken.
Someone asked, so..., and I feel that paying customers are entitled to grumble a little bit. I got it out of my system now!
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