I finally have the 16F19176 and the 18f47K42 invoking the programmer. I believe that issue was that I established my own file folder with all my programs in it and after the upgrade this path was defaulted to the PBP3.1 example programs folder. Even though the programmer comes up it still does not actually program these chips . The program memory is blank and most weird is the program window shows configs. that are not the PBP3.1 defaults. The Config. Oscillator is showing ECH and the PWR UP Default is EXT1X. Since I can't program these configs. they must be left there by Microchip? The 16F19176 PBP3.1 defaults are setup for an internal 32 Mhz which is what I was looking for. Well, my fellow PIC'ers, down the rabbit hole I go for some more fun. Cheers