I know how you feel Henrik, I am fairly new to the forum, and I'm not in school. I am a just a out of work technician trying to learn pic programming. Hopefully it will help me in building more complex electronic equipment, perhaps i can get something manufactured later. I will be sticking around after I learn more, I like to payback those that help me. And hopefully I can provide some good help. Unfortunatly.. hehe I am going to be asking lots of questions and they may seem real strange sometimes. I hope you and others can put up with me, because I do like your advice.