darkman stop being a loser... anyway for the rest who are viewing i've tried and its impossible with shiftout.. referring to myke's site on the 2 wire lcd the way the datapin and clockpin toggles are different frm ****out? anyway i've tried the shiftout command and doesnt work... tried manual subroutines still aint working... any clues melanie? u dnt haf to giv the answer just clues...