Well Guys before Windows or GUI's came out, MS-DOS was king of the hill. That is what will happen I believe when people find out more about Flowcode, PBP will be old news. To all of you guys that think that i'm too lazy to learn well your wrong. Nor do I want anyone to write my programs, I enjoy that. But really, look at the 215? pages in this forum of people having problems with PBP. So I know I am not alone. As I've stated earlier I have had PBP for 5 or 6 years and I can do most things that I want with it, but some things I can't. As for myself, my first computer was a Tandy from Radio Shack, circa 1985?. Since then I've owned: Commodore 64, An Amiga 500, and several PC's that I built myself, so I'm no dummy. I have had a couple of Basic Stamps ,that I used to great effect, before finding out about Pics. Use both Flowcode and PBP? I undoubtably will but you see very few users of Windows wanting to go back to using DOS. I appreciate everyone that has tried to help out since I have posted on here but, to me at least, PBP is just too old and archaic for me. Bye Bye