@dave, whats to laugh at? that piles only 1 level deep! I have the MC pickit. still use it to program 16f676's Got it prolly 10 years ago for $39.

@rmteo, WOW thats a serious board. their site sure it chock full of options. So with that, I could do most anything with the supported chips? Will the ICD still work if I don't use their IDE?