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[LEDave]

Once again many thanks for all the INPUT.As always very much appreciated.

mackrackit, I've book marked that link, very useful.

Joe, if I could get my PIC's to dance like that I'll know I've arrived. I'm still adding the building blocks at present, that said there's been a big improvement in what I know and can do in just a week, great stuff.

Henrik, so are we're saying that the program is counting up from 0-9 in bytes? Does it load and output the values $00000000 (LOOP1) $00000001 (LOOP2) ...etc. If that's the case I could directly output to a seven segment display!

So the question is: Is there a PIC for my PICkit1 that has an eight bit wide output GPIO?

Dave

[rmteo]

From here http://www.microchip.com/stellent/id...cName=en010053

PICkit Classic V1.74 supports these mid-range Flash PIC® microcontrollers:
- PIC12F629, 635, 675, 683,
- PIC16F630, 636, 676,

- PIC16F684, 685, 687, 688, 689, 690, 785

- PIC16F913, 914, 916, 917, 946

Any of those in red have at least one 8-bit port. Although, the same page also say this.

The PICkit™ 1 Flash Starter Kit is a low-cost development kit with an easy-to-use interface for programming Microchip’s 8-/14-pin Flash family of microcontrollers.

If that is the case, then you are out of luck as no 8/14-pin devices have a complete 8-bit port.

[mackrackit]

So the question is: Is there a PIC for my PICkit1 that has an eight bit wide output GPIO?

None that I can think of. The 14 pin PICs will have two ports with 6 each.

You migh get creative and shift the bits 4 four places.
Lower four to one port, upper four to the other???

Or...

I think Darrel had a way of re-mapping the pins/ports...

[HenrikOlsson]

Henrik, so are we're saying that the program is counting up from 0-9 in bytes? Does it load and output the values $00000000 (LOOP1) $00000001 (LOOP2) ...etc. If that's the case I could directly output to a seven segment display!

Yes and no, the loop incements the variable i from 0 to 9 (or what ever you want it to) and writes its value to the GPIO-register, the pattern on the GPIO will be the binary representation of the number, ie:

00000000 '0
00000001 '1
00000010 '2
00000011 '3
...
00001000 '8
00001001 '9

This however, can not drive a 7-segment display directly as displaying "1" needs two segments turned on (but only one bit is set on the "count" of 1) and 8 needs all seven segments on but at the "count" of 8 there's again only a single bit set.

However, you can use the LOOKUP command to "translate" the 0-9 count into the "patterns" needed to drive the segments. Lets say you connect the display so that each bit drive the segments as per the attached picture. To display "3" bit 0, 1, 2, 3 and 6 would need to be set, or put another way, you'd need to write %01001111 or 79 to the port. To display a "2" you need to set bits 0, 1, 3, 4 and 6 (%01011011 or 91) and so on.

Now lookup the LOOKUP command in the manual ;-)

[LEDave]

HI Henrik

I've looked lookup in the manual (I found a copy on the net, then realised there's one in the demo-program...doh).

So are we saying that to make the seven segment display show a '3' our loop count would be:00000011 '3' but that would LOOKUP a stored value of :%01001111 and display that?

So we'd have to 'load in' somewhere a table of values:

%01001111 3 b3
%01011011 2 b2
%00000110 1 b1
%00111111 0 b0

So:

FOR B0 = 0 TO 3 ' Count from 0 to 3
LOOKUP B0,[%00111111],B1 ' Get character number B0 from string to variable B1
SEROUT 0,N2400,[B1] ' Send character in B1 to Pin0 serially
NEXT B0 ' Do next character

*Shouldn't SEROUT be something like PAROUT (parallel out) namely display all seven bits on seven pins at once.*

Dave (struggling but trying).

[mackrackit]

*Shouldn't SEROUT be something like PAROUT (parallel out) namely display all seven bits on seven pins at once.*

No,
GPIO = B1
will set the bits to whatever B1 is.

SERIOT is for RS232 type stuff.

Another lesson

[LEDave]

Hi mackrackit

"You might get creative and shift the bits 4 four places.
Lower four to one port, upper four to the other???"

How difficult is getting creative for a newbie like me?

My PICkit1 came with a PIC16F684 included.

Dave

[rmteo]

The '<<' and '>>' operators shift a value left or right, respectively, 0 to 15 times. The newly shifted-in bits are set to 0.

B0 = B0 << 3 ‘ Shifts B0 left 3 places, (same as multiply by 8)
W1 = W0 >> 1 ‘ Shifts W0 right 1 position and places result in W1 (same as divide by 2)

[HenrikOlsson]

Hi,
SEROUT is for serial RS232 communication. It's just used as an example in the LOOKUP section of the manual.

i VAR BYTE
Main:
  For i = 0 to 9
   LOOKUP i, [0, 6, 91, 79, 102, 109, 125, 7, 127, 103], GPIO
   Pause 500
  Next
Goto Main

See, when i is 0 the first value in the lookup table (0) will get written to GPIO, all bits will be reset, when i is 6 the seventh value (125) in the lookup table will get written to GPIO. 125 is the same as %01111101 which means all segments except the one driven by Bit1 will be on - the display will show "6".

Now, this would work on a PIC with seven or more consecutive GPIO pins, which apparently doesn't exist.... Getting a PIC with a "full" PortB and using that instead of GPIO would do it. It's still possible to do on the '684 (which has 6 bits on PortA and 6 bits on PortB, no GPIO) but then maby the Lookup aproach isn't the most suitable.

There are many many ways to skin the cat, sit down and play a bit with what you have, if you already have the BCD-Seven segment decoder go ahead and use that and play around.

/Henrik.

[mackrackit]

In the Math Operators section of the manual take a look at SHIFT and the Btiwise Operators.

The idea is..
From Henrik

To display a "2" you need to set bits 0, 1, 3, 4 and 6 (%01011011 or 91)

You will have to connect the display so that part is on one port and part on another. half and half...
Take the lower 4 bits in the case of #2 (1011) and send them to the display with Port1.
Take the upper 4 bits (0101) and send that to the display with Port2.

Think of Port1 as being 0-3
Port2 as 4-7

Presto... a whole Port...0-7

[LEDave]

Well plenty to think about today. Maybe a little consolidation from me, drum those basics into my mind (I still have plenty to learn here).

I see what you're saying regards splitting port1 & port1 to drive the display.

Absolutely fascinating stuff though, I think I'm hooked and I've only managed to flash a few LED's.

Again many thanks to you all.

Dave

[Byte_Butcher]

I think Darrel had a way of re-mapping the pins/ports...

http://www.picbasic.co.uk/forum/show..._anypin&page=2



steve