First timer...building a remote controlled vehicle

[Archangel]

thanks tony, I figured the whole serin and serout deal but I was just wondering if I can do that on any of the pic's pins?

SERIN, SEROUT, SERIN2, SEROUT2, . . . YES, HSERIN HSEROUT, NO on these you must use the hardware ports

Also, I know this is going to sound really dumb, but it is something I have been trying to fix for such a long time. I have been trying to use button debouncing with if then statements but they don't seem to work.

Let us say this is the beginning of my code:

gosub rightbuttoncheck  ;high then check right side. If right not, then restart.

goto start

rightstart:
gosub nap54ms
if GPIO.3 = 0 then start

gosub checkRmode

rightstart2:
nap 6               ; low power mode for 1.152 of a sec.
if rightbutton = 0 then start

I don't know how to do a "if tact switch (momentary) is pressed, then goto [labe]" type of deal. I tried using the "button" command but that just gave me too many errors that I just dropped it. I was thinking of putting assembly in the and using btsfc or whatever I know some assembly...just to get me around and understand what a program is doing.

So, if I had a a chip, a wire connect to that chip's pin, that wire to a pin of a momentary tact switch, then the other end to the ground or ground pin of the pic chip. How would I do that in basic, will the above If then statements work...well...they have not worked with me even when I change it to "if rightbutton = 1 (or a 0) then [label]".

Regards and thanks for everything!

P.S. are there any cheaper alternatives to this...is there no example code I can follow?

Just use 2 if then loops with a short delay between them.

LOOP:
If portA.1 = 1 then
pause 5
if PortA.1 = 1 then
{ your code here}
ELSE
goto LOOP
ENDIF
ENDIF

GOTO LOOP

[mackrackit]

SERIN, SEROUT, SERIN2, SEROUT2, . . . YES, HSERIN HSEROUT, NO on these you must use the hardware ports

Some thing about that sounds...funny

[.n0rig.]

ok, I got the IF THEN statement to compile in one of my other codes. As for this remote controller car, how would I got about controlling two DC or three DC rumble motors from an xbox 360 controller? I really wanted one that you can control the speed on but dang...those cost a lot and for something like this, I don't want to blow my money on little 2 in x 2 in things that cost over $100.

Anyways, I'm guessing PWM is not an option on these? How about pulsout? I just want to make these things make the car go forward, reverse, stop (if possible), and have a 3rd small one controll the steering of the front tires. The motors would have separate power sources from the pic chip. I believe the guidelines said to not use over 5 or so volts in total...I can bring extra batteries and I only need the car to operate for a few minutes. I am guessing a tripple A for the front motor and 2-3 double A's for the pic and two back motors. Maybe add some other components to make the whole thing work. But this is the idea for now. Oh, I have a few 16F684 chips and 16F636, 16F616 and an 18F that I never used. I usually buy 100's of 12F683 though :P.

I like the 12F683 and the 16F684 because they both have the same modules and stuff. The datasheets are practically similar...except the 16F has 14 pins. So, this is the pic I want to use.

sooo, what are my options?

[.n0rig.]

sorry double posted

[.n0rig.]

triple...please erase these last two.

[elec_mech]

.n0rig.,

I'll try to get more detail to you this evening if you need it, but here's some info to get you started.

The button command will work on any I/O so long as the pin you select is set to a digital output. As I'm a little more familar with 16 and 18 series, let's stick with the 16F684. Now, most of the pins on this chip can be used as analog or comparator inputs, so you need to turn these off. Something like this (sorry, this is quick and dirty):

CMCON0 = %00000111    ' Turn off comparator bits and set pins to digital I/O
ADCON0.0 = 0               ' Disable ADC
TRISC = %00001111       ' Make port c pins 0-3 inputs and the rest as outputs 
b0   VAR    byte    ' Byte variable for button
HIGH PORTC.4

Start:

BUTTON PORTC.0, 0, 255, 0, b0, 1, drive_forward  ' If button is pressed, goto drive_forward routine

GOTO Start

drive_forward:
    LOW PORTC.4
    PAUSE 500
    HIGH PORTC.4
    PAUSE PORTC.4
goto Start

Now, as far as hookup, you should connect a 10k resistor to 5V (whatever is powering VDD) and to pin RC0. Connect one side of the momentary switch to RC0 and the other to ground. Connect the positive side of an LED to 5V and the other to, say, a 1k resistor and the other side of the resistor to RC4. Assuming I made no mistakes, you should see the LED blink once when you press the switch.

To control motors, it depends on what you want to do. If you're NOT trying to vary the speed and just want to turn the motor on and off (one speed), I'd look at an H-bridge IC or make one with transistors or MOSFETs. Another option is to use a DPDT and a simple SPST relay, which you'd have to interface to the PIC with transistors or an optoisolator. The DPDT will change the direction will the SPST will turn the motor on and off. If you do want to vary the speed keep in mind your controller must be able to vary the signal to the PIC as well. If you want to go this route, I'd search the forum on PWM and/or motors. The rumble packs are just simple brushed DC motors as far as I know, so if one speed is okay, you just feed them power and they go - they don't need PWM to function. You would use PWM to vary the speed, but my knowledge on this subject is limited at best.

As far as steering, I'd use a cheap servo and the PULSOUT command. Optionally, you could use continuous servos for the wheels too and get varying speed easy with the PULSOUT command, but it won't go very fast.

[.n0rig.]

Yea sounds like a good idea, I figured out how to do if then commands and I think I just figured out why my buttons were not working. I didn't signify a b0 register as a byte. Anyways, what I will need most help in will be the serout and serin to connect to the chip on the car to make the car move forward, back, etc.

And can I use rumble motors from an xbox 360 controller for my main forward and reverse motions? can these be controlled like a servo or not? see, there is a requirement that we have to make the vehicle stop when at a certain time. The faster it stops the better.

thanks for all your help guys!

[elec_mech]

.n0rig.,

Anyways, what I will need most help in will be the serout and serin to connect to the chip on the car to make the car move forward, back, etc.

By chip, do you mean the PIC or are you interfacing the PIC to some chip on the car? You only need serin and serout if you're interfacing to a computer or another IC. Or do you mean to talk from one PIC (on the remote) to the PIC on the car?

I doubt you can control the motors like a servo. Rumble packs are typically DC brushed motors with a counterweight on the end that act like pager motors or the vibration ringer in a cellphone. They'll be full on or off like a standard DC motor. You'd have to use PWM with some type of interface circuitry or buy a motor controller that can interface with the PIC.

If you'd like to dive further into motor control, a quick Google search turned this up:

http://www.newark.com/pdfs/techartic...ksBrochure.pdf

http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/e...tes/00893a.pdf

http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/e...tes/00905a.pdf

http://www.seattlerobotics.org/encod...implemotor.htm

I haven't looked at this in detail, but you might get away building this and using pulsout:

http://www.aaroncake.net/CIRCUITS/motorcon.asp

However, I think this would do everything you want and pretty cheaply:

http://www.parallax.com/Store/Access...%2cProductName

[.n0rig.]

elec_mech, you are really helpful and thank you for finding those links for me.In regards to some of your questions, yes, I will be using serout to "wireless" interface like this:

me -> push buttons on remote -> remote has 16F684 in it -> which is connected to an RF transceiver (or transmitter "tx") -> sends the info about me pushing the button(s) -> transceiver (or receiver "rx") in car receives info -> transceiver forwards received info. to another 16F684 chip in the car that is connected to either 3 or 4 rumble motors (dc) without the weights on the spindles -> this controls forward and reverse motions. With some gears and just 3 motors (two on back and one of front between two front tires with spindle facing upward) I can make a steering system.

That right there sums up my plan for this. I don't need anything fancy for controlling the car, nothing that exceeds 30M probably (RF quality).

I am still lost on what actual supplies I can use that are not too expensive. If you have done something like this before I would greatly appreciate either a sample code, parts list, or guides for me. I really appreciate all of your help...this is going to be a really important event for me if I finish this as it will be one of the biggest completed codes I could possibly make. With the knowledge that I attain from this, I can put it to use in the future. Anyways, thanks...just keep all this information rolling guys.

Regards,

n0rig

[elec_mech]

.n0rig.,

Ahh, okay. It's been years since I worked on an IR project, so I did a quick search on the forum under 'infrared' and found some postings you might want to check out:

http://www.picbasic.co.uk/forum/show...light=infrared

http://www.picbasic.co.uk/forum/show...light=infrared

Now, by all accounts, everyone said Bruce was the man on IR and to check out the solutions on his website. These are both inexpensive and relatively easy to implement.

http://www.rentron.com/Infrared_Communication.htm

http://www.rentron.com/remote.htm

http://rentron.com/PicBasic/IR_Chips.htm

If you'd consider using a universal TV remote programmed with Sony signals, as a backup plan - I'm not encouraging you to abandon your plans for making your own remote - then: http://www.rentron.com/remote_control/IR-D15A.htm

Hope this helps and good luck!