Phase failure detection

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- 5th January 2007, 08:07
ardhuru

Phase failure detection

Hi,

I am building a circuit that needs to monitor the 3 phases in the
mains, and detect if (a) any one phase fails, and (b) if the phases are connected improperly.

After some search I found http://www.picbasic.org/forum/archiv...hp/t-2134.html to be pretty close to what I need.

What would be the best way to go about it?

Would this logic work?

Detect positive edge on phase 1
Start Timer 0
Detect positive edge on phase 2
Read Timer 0 as variable 1
Detect positive edge on phase 3
Read Timer 0 as variable 2
Stop + Reset timer
If Variable 1 is equal to (almost) = (Variable 2)/2 = 6.67 ms (for 50 hz) then all is ok.

Start again.

Am I on the right track, or is there a better/easier way to do this?

Regards,

Anand
- 8th January 2007, 05:55
BrianT

Phase failure detection gotchas

Be warned that phase failure detection can be very difficult in my experience.

On a remote antarctic base we had a 3 phase generator that was working properly and driving some lightly loaded 3 phase motors before a phase dropped out. The lightly loaded motors kept running with no perceptable problems except a bit of a growl. If a new 3 phase motor tried to start we instantly knew there was a problem as it tripped its overload breakers. The motors that were still running appeared to act as generators and supplied the missing phase with a lower voltage and slightly time skewed voltage.

Have a close look at the commercial phase failure detectors before you jump in I suggest.

HTH
Brian
- 8th January 2007, 10:39
ardhuru

Hi Brian,

Thanks for sharing your experience.

You mentioned the missing phase did show a slight skew in the waveform; this is exactly what I'm hoping to detect with the technique I described. Of course, without actually seing the waveform or actually trying out my circuit I wouldnt know if it would work,

The reason I'd rather not use a stock unit is that I also need to incorporate some other (non phase related) features into it.

Regards,

Anand
- 9th January 2007, 00:53
Archangel

Google phase converter

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianT

The lightly loaded motors kept running with no perceptable problems except a bit of a growl. The motors that were still running appeared to act as generators and supplied the missing phase with a lower voltage and slightly time skewed voltage.

Brian

That is the operational theroy behind a Phase converter, Basicly a 3 phase motor and some large capacitors to generate the third leg.
JS