Pwm & dac

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- 22nd October 2010, 14:07
J. Mark Wolf

Pwm & dac

I posted a message yesterday, but it never showed up, so I am posting again. Forgive me if two posts eventually appear.

I have purchased the latest version of PBP to take advantage of some of the newer generation PIC parts, namely the 16F1827, in which I need multiple simultaneous PWM frequencies, and DAC.

Surprisingly, searching for "PWM" and "DAC" turned up no hits on either phrase! I did a search on "16F1827" and got some hits, in which I learned some valable tips on configuring the compiler for this part. Thank you for those posts.

While waiting for my compiler to arrive by mail, can anyone direct me to posts discussing the configuration for two simultaneous discrete PWM frequencies and DAC?
- 22nd October 2010, 15:31
ScaleRobotics

This forum has a minimum of 4 characters for its searches. But you can get around that with a google search of the site: http://www.picbasic.co.uk/forum/cont...-for-the-Forum

When you say 2 discrete PWM frequencies, do you really mean sinewave, or just 2 discrete PWM periods? I see page 229 of the datasheet lets you select timer 2,4 or 6 for each of the CCPx pins. Bruce has a DSM example which includes single PWM here: http://www.picbasic.co.uk/forum/show...4268#post84268 using timer2 and PR2. You could use some of the basic PWM code from his example (he's got it mixing pins and such), and set up another with timer4 and PR4.
- 22nd October 2010, 23:03
J. Mark Wolf

4 char min search, huh? That explains that!

I don't need sinewaves at all, although that would also work. I really just need just two different simultaneous 50% duty cycle frequencies. As well as DAC, ADC and a little GPIO.

I'll check out Bruces' post.
- 23rd October 2010, 01:31
Mike, K8LH

What are the frequencies, please?
- 23rd October 2010, 01:33
mackrackit

A little about HPWM for a different chip. DAC.....nothing.
http://www.picbasic.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=4672
- 23rd October 2010, 12:39
J. Mark Wolf

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike, K8LH

What are the frequencies, please?

400Hz, 900Hz, 1600Hz. Only two need to be on at any given time.

I also need to make 1.2Hz through 20Hz (Hz not KHz), for amplitude modulation, which I will do with the DAC.
- 23rd October 2010, 14:26
Mike, K8LH

Is the 1.0 to 20.0 Hz signal also a 50% duty cycle square wave? And would it need to be on at the same time as the other two signals?

Mike

<added>

Sorry! Just noticed you said 1.0 to 20.0 Hz signal was going to D/A. So, is that a sine wave output?
- 23rd October 2010, 15:51
Mike, K8LH

Have you considered using DDS (Direct Digital Synthesis) for those relatively low frequencies?

Off the top of my head, if you use an 8,388,608 Hz crystal, a 200-cycle PWM period (prescale 1:1, PR2 = 199), and 24-bit phase accumulators, you can produce both square wave outputs and a 200-level PWM sine wave output (1.2 to 20.0 Hz) with 0.01-Hz frequency resolution (more actually).

The example C program excerpt below uses a 256 element sine[] table of 0..200 duty cycle values for the PWM module while the square wave outputs simply use the most significant bit of their phase accumulator. ISR overhead is less than 40 cycles in Assembler on a 12F1822 but I'm not sure what you would get in PBP.

Best luck... Regards, Mike

Code:

; ; u24 accum1 = 0; // 24 bit phase accumulator for SQ1 output ; u24 accum2 = 0; // 24 bit phase accumulator for SQ2 output ; u24 accum3 = 0; // 24 bit phase accumulator for SIN output ; ; u24 phase1 = 90000<<4; // phase offset, (900.00-Hz * 100)<<4 ; u24 phase2 = 40000<<4; // phase offset, (400.00-Hz * 100)<<4 ; u24 phase3 = 1031<<4; // phase offset, ( 10.31-Hz * 100)<<4 ; ; u08 sine[] = { 100,102,104,107,109,112,114,117,119,121,124,126,129,131,133,135, ; 138,140,142,144,147,149,151,153,155,157,159,161,163,165,167,168, ; 170,172,174,175,177,178,180,181,183,184,185,187,188,189,190,191, ; 192,193,194,194,195,196,197,197,198,198,198,199,199,199,199,199, ; 200,199,199,199,199,199,198,198,198,197,197,196,195,194,194,193, ; 192,191,190,189,188,187,185,184,183,181,180,178,177,175,174,172, ; 170,168,167,165,163,161,159,157,155,153,151,149,147,144,142,140, ; 138,135,133,131,129,126,124,121,119,117,114,112,109,107,104,102, ; 099,097,095,092,090,087,085,082,080,078,075,073,070,068,066,064, ; 061,059,057,055,052,050,048,046,044,042,040,038,036,034,032,031, ; 029,027,025,024,022,021,019,018,016,015,014,012,011,010,009,008, ; 007,006,005,005,004,003,002,002,001,001,001,000,000,000,000,000, ; 000,000,000,000,000,000,001,001,001,002,002,003,004,005,005,006, ; 007,008,009,010,011,012,014,015,016,018,019,021,022,024,025,027, ; 029,031,032,034,036,038,040,042,044,046,048,050,052,055,057,059, ; 061,064,066,068,070,073,075,078,080,082,085,087,090,092,095,097 }; ;

Code:

; ; // 12F1822 DDS interrupt engine (Mike, K8LH) ; // ; // 1 square wave output on GP0 (400.00, 900.00, or 1600.00 Hz) ; // 1 square wave output on GP1 (400.00, 900.00, or 1600.00 Hz) ; // 1 sine wave output on GP2/CCP1 (1.20 to 20.00 Hz) ; ; void interrupt() // 200-cycles (10485.76-Hz) ; { pir1.TMR2IF = 0; // clear TMR2 interrupt flag ; accum1 += phase1; // add phase1 to accum1 ; accum2 += phase2; // add phase2 to accum2 ; accum3 += phase3; // add phase3 to accum3 ; shadow = gpio & 0xFC; // clr GPIO shadow b0 & b1 ; shadow.0 = accum1.23; // sq wave 1 output bit ; shadow.1 = accum2.23; // sq wave 2 output bit ; gpio = shadow; // update sq wave outputs ; ccpr1l = sine[accum3>>16]; // set sine wave duty cycle ; } // ;
- 24th October 2010, 12:59
J. Mark Wolf

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike, K8LH

Is the 1.0 to 20.0 Hz signal also a 50% duty cycle square wave? And would it need to be on at the same time as the other two signals?

Mike

<added>

Sorry! Just noticed you said 1.0 to 20.0 Hz signal was going to D/A. So, is that a sine wave output?

The 1Hz to 20Hz doesn't need to be a high-fidelity sine wave, but a reasonable facsimile (although I'll be using only the positive alternation). I've been experimenting with a 4-bit R2R ladder and filtering with surprisingly good results, and I think the DAC on the 16F1827 with a sine lookup table should be fine.

The higher freqs will be just audible tones, low-pass filtered to knock off the corners.

The positive alternations of the 1Hz - 20Hz will serve as an amplitude envelope for the higher freqs. I tried simply turning them on and off at a 1Hz - 20Hz rate, in a tone-burst fashion, but it produces an objectionable "popping" audio artifact. I think the envelope will solve that.

Your DDS approach is very interesting, but I wouldn't have a clue how to implement it, and I fear it would make a bigger project out of it. I'll keep it in the back of my mind.