ELSEIF Block Would be Good.

[T.Jackson]

Be great if PBP supported ELSEIF structure - something a bit like the following...

   ElseIf GetAsyncKeyState(vbKeyF1) Then               '(F1) Show palette
      If Key_Pressed(vbKeyF1) = 0 Then                 'Key not held down?
         LED_Palette.Show                              'Show palette
         Key_Pressed(vbKeyF1) = 1                      'Set flag
      End If
         
   ElseIf GetAsyncKeyState(vbKeyF6) Then               '(F6) Next frame
      If Key_Pressed(vbKeyF6) = 0 Then                 'Key not held down?
         Adj_Button = 0                                'Set flag
         Call Apply_Frame_Num_Adj                      'Jump to proc
         Key_Pressed(vbKeyF6) = 1                      'Set flag
      End If

ELSEIF can be quite advantageously in some cases, consider the following complex procedure and how it would need to be done if, ELSEIF wasn't supported in VB
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Public Sub Poll_Keyboard()
   '-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
   '// Check for menu control keys, ESC terminates app, all other keys restore
   '   menu and cursor if they have been turned off. Proc includes key de bounce
   '-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
   Dim i As Long                                       'General working var
                                                          
   If GetAsyncKeyState(vbKeyEscape) Then               'Quit   (ESC)
      Terminate_App = True                             'Set flag

   '-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
   '// Check combination keys first
   '-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
   ElseIf GetAsyncKeyState(vbKeyControl) Then          'CTRL key down?
         If Popup_Insert.Enabled Then                  'Legal operation?
            If GetAsyncKeyState(vbKeyI) Then           'CTRL+I Insert
               Call Popup_Insert_Click                 'Jump to proc
               Exit Sub                                'Bail out
            End If
         End If
         
      If Popup_Save.Enabled Then                       'Legal operation?
         If GetAsyncKeyState(vbKeyShift) Then          'Shift?
            If GetAsyncKeyState(vbKeyS) Then           'Shift+CTRL+S Save As
               Call Initiate_ROM_Save("Save As *.bin") 'Jump to proc
               Exit Sub                                'Bail out
            End If
         End If
         
         If Not Run_ROM Then
            If GetAsyncKeyState(vbKeyN) Then           '(CTRL + N) New
               Call New_ROM_Click                      'Jump to proc
               Exit Sub                                'Bail out
            End If
   
            If GetAsyncKeyState(vbKeyO) Then           '(CTRL + O) Load
               Call Load_ROM_Click                     'Jump to proc
               Exit Sub                                'Bail out
            End If
         End If
         
      '//
      Else '(always allow open or load, if not running)
      '//
         If GetAsyncKeyState(vbKeyN) Then              '(CTRL + N) New
            Call New_ROM_Click                         'Jump to proc
            Exit Sub                                   'Bail out
         End If
   
         If GetAsyncKeyState(vbKeyO) Then              '(CTRL + O) Load
            Call Load_ROM_Click                        'Jump to proc
            Exit Sub                                   'Bail out
         End If
      End If
   '-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
   '// Function keys with no CTRL, all used except (10-12)
   '-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
   ElseIf GetAsyncKeyState(vbKeyF1) Then               '(F1) Show palette
      If Key_Pressed(vbKeyF1) = 0 Then                 'Key not held down?
         LED_Palette.Show                              'Show palette
         Key_Pressed(vbKeyF1) = 1                      'Set flag
      End If
         
   ElseIf GetAsyncKeyState(vbKeyF6) Then               '(F6) Next frame
      If Key_Pressed(vbKeyF6) = 0 Then                 'Key not held down?
         Adj_Button = 0                                'Set flag
         Call Apply_Frame_Num_Adj                      'Jump to proc
         Key_Pressed(vbKeyF6) = 1                      'Set flag
      End If
   
   ElseIf GetAsyncKeyState(vbKeyF7) Then               '(F7) Previous frame
      If Key_Pressed(vbKeyF7) = 0 Then                 'Key not held down?
         Adj_Button = 1                                'Set flag
         Call Apply_Frame_Num_Adj                      'Jump to proc
         Key_Pressed(vbKeyF7) = 1                      'Set flag
      End If
   
   ElseIf GetAsyncKeyState(vbKeyF8) Then               '(F8) Next group
      If Key_Pressed(vbKeyF8) = 0 Then                 'Key not held down?
         Adj_Button = 4                                'Set flag
         Call Apply_Group_Num_Adj                      'Jump to proc
         Key_Pressed(vbKeyF8) = 1                      'Set flag
      End If
   
   ElseIf GetAsyncKeyState(vbKeyF9) Then               '(F9) Previous group
      If Key_Pressed(vbKeyF9) = 0 Then                 'Key not held down?
         Adj_Button = 5                                'Set flag
         Call Apply_Group_Num_Adj                      'Jump to proc
         Key_Pressed(vbKeyF9) = 1                      'Set flag
      End If
   
   ElseIf GetAsyncKeyState(vbKeyF5) Then               '(F5) Run
      If Key_Pressed(vbKeyF5) = 0 Then                 'Key not held down?
         Call Run_Click                                'Jump to proc
         Key_Pressed(vbKeyF5) = 1                      'Set flag
      End If
      
   ElseIf GetAsyncKeyState(vbKeyF2) Then               '(F2) Pause
      If Key_Pressed(vbKeyF2) = 0 Then                 'Key not held down?
         Call Pause_Click                              'Jump to proc
         Key_Pressed(vbKeyF2) = 1                      'Set flag
      End If
      
   ElseIf GetAsyncKeyState(vbKeyF3) Then               '(F3) Reset
      If Key_Pressed(vbKeyF3) = 0 Then                 'Key not held down?
         Call Reset_Click                              'Jump to proc
         Key_Pressed(vbKeyF3) = 1                      'Set flag
      End If
   
   ElseIf GetAsyncKeyState(vbKeyF8) Then               '(F8) Jump to
      If Not Key_Pressed(vbKeyF8) Then                 'Key not held down?
         Call Jump_To_Frame_Click                      'Jump to proc
         Key_Pressed(vbKeyF8) = 1                      'Set flag
      End If
   
   ElseIf GetAsyncKeyState(vbKeyF9) Then               '(F9) Dump
      If Key_Pressed(vbKeyF9) = 0 Then                 'Key not held down?
         Call Dump_Click                               'Jump to proc
         Key_Pressed(vbKeyF9) = 1                      'Set key flag
      End If
   
   ElseIf GetAsyncKeyState(vbKeyDelete) Then           '(Del) All Off
      If Total_Frames <> 0 Then                        'Legal operation?
         If Key_Pressed(vbKeyDelete) = 0 Then          'Key not held down?
            Call All_Off_Click                         'Jump to proc
            Key_Pressed(vbKeyDelete) = 1               'Set flag
         End If
      End If
   '-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
   Else '// Any other key press restores menu & cursor (if switched off)
   '-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
      If Not Menu.Visible Then
         For i = 0 To 255                              'Test for keys
             If GetAsyncKeyState(i) Then               '
                Menu.Visible = True                    'Restore
                Title.Visible = True                   '
                Credits.Visible = True                 '
                Call ShowCursor(True)                  'Mouse pointer
   '//
                If Palette_Active Then                 'Palette visible prior?
                   LED_Palette.Show                    'Restore it
                End If                                 '
                Exit For                               'Bail out (no time wasted)
             End If
         Next
      End If
   End If
   '-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
   '// Reset flags if keys are up
   '-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
   For i = 0 To 255                                    'Scan through all keys
       If GetAsyncKeyState(i) = 0 Then                 'Key held down?
          Key_Pressed(i) = 0                           'Reset flag if not
       End If                                          '
   Next                                                '
End Sub

[skimask]

A billion and a half plus 2 ways of doing things...yes...
That 2nd code chunk looks an awful lot like, and in this case could be replaced by, a 'Select Case/End Select' block.
EDIT: But, 'Select Case' is limited to one parameter, an ELSEIF would open that up quite a bit.

[Darrel Taylor]

As far as I know it already does. (just not all in one word)

IF Condition then
    Something
else 
    if Condition2 then
        something else
    endif
endif

_

[skimask]

And in some forms, literally KILLS free flash space...

[T.Jackson]

That's not the same. True ELSEIF structure will exit out of the nest as soon as it hits the first true condition. Same as Select Case.

[skimask]

But PBP doesn't have the virtually (pun intended) unlimited stack space like Windows does.
Gotta draw the line somewhere I suppose.

[Darrel Taylor]

And in some forms, literally KILLS free flash space...

No difference, no additional code space.

That's not the same. True ELSEIF structure will exit out of the nest as soon as it hits the first true condition. Same as Select Case.

No difference. That's what it does.

Added: No additional Stack space either.

_

[skimask]

What I'm saying is that multiple IF/THEN statements:
IF this then
that
ENDIF
IF this then
that
ENDIF

made back-to-back-to-back, takes more flash space than successive IF/THEN statements:
If this then
if this then
if this then
that
endif
endif
EndIf

I had to use the successive version of the IF/THEN vs. the back-to-back version in my MP3 player in a number of places (no way around it due to how the program was set up, either it was bad style or I just had too much going on to keep tabs on, just the nature of the program's complexity). Anywhos...when I changed everything over to the successive type, I saved a load of code space. I never did check in to why I saved as much space as I did, it just did, and I'm happy.

As far as stack space goes, are you saying that there aren't any calls involved with doing an if/then?

[T.Jackson]

As far as I know it already does. (just not all in one word)

IF Condition then
    Something
else 
    if Condition2 then
        something else
    endif
endif

It's not the same if a multitude of ELSEIF is required ...

IF Condition then
    Something
else 
    if Condition2 then 'ELSEIF 1
        something else
    endif

   '// Even if ELSEIF 1 is true then we still validate this argument  
   if Condition2 then 'ELSEIF 2
        something else
    endif

   '// Likewise, even if ELSEIF 2 is true then we still validate this argument  
    if Condition3 then 'ELSEIF 3
        something else
    endif
endif

I guess you could have a GOTO in each block to exit out of the nest - but as I said before, true ELSEIF would make a nice addition to PBP.
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[Darrel Taylor]

It'll work. You just need to add the next condition in the last one's ELSE clause.

IF Condition then
    Something
else 
    if Condition2 then
        something else
    else
        if Condition3 then
            even more
        else
            if Condition4 then
               4's good
            else
                this is the final ELSE, if none of the others match
                it ends up here
            endif
        endif
    endif
endif

As far as stack space goes, are you saying that there aren't any calls involved with doing an if/then?

Correct. If/Thens don't use the stack. They use GOTO's only.

Added: There is no limit to the "Nested" levels of IF/THEN's.
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[T.Jackson]

O.K. I agree that to be logically equivalent to ELSEIF. But there's one downside, how do you plan on indenting 20 or more nested arguments?
But, you have clearly illustrated just how easy it would be for MELABS to implement support for ELSEIF. PBP already has the raws required.

[mister_e]

no problem, i use a dual screen video card and two monitor

[Darrel Taylor]

how do you plan on indenting 20 or more nested arguments?

That's just the way I format things.
You dont have to do it that way.

Here's one that skimask will like. (lottsa colons)

IF Condition  then
    Something
else:IF Condition2  then 
    something else
else:if Condition3  then
    even more
else:if Condition4  then
    4's good
else
    this is the final ELSE, if none of the others match
    it ends up here
endif:endif:endif:endif

[T.Jackson]

You're missing the point. While I agree that what you're saying will indeed do the same job (regardless of how you format it) there's still more effort from the programmer that's required. There's additional thought process along with extra typing. And, I have a sneaking suspicion that traditional ELSEIF structures might be somewhat better optimized.

[Darrel Taylor]

Actually, I think you are missing the point.

Haven't you noticed...
meLabs doesn't add things anymore.

Last thing a saw get added was REPEAT..UNTIL.
Not sure but maybe that was 2004. Version 2.44

It's either learn how to use what you have.

Or sit around wishing it were different.
Even though it already does exactly what you want.

_

[sayzer]

When would someone have to use black pepper instead of red pepper?

They are both hot, the color is different (this could fit somewhere else though).

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[mister_e]

Last thing a saw get added was REPEAT..UNTIL.
Not sure but maybe that was 2004. Version 2.44

no it's false , the last major add was in 2.47

Adds HSER_SPBRGH and HSER2_SPBRGH defines for PIC18Xxxxx.

I don't know for others, but before having a 20 nested IF-THEN-ELSEIF structure, i would use something else... but it's me.

[T.Jackson]

I"ve had PBP since about 2002. To my knowledge, no one in Australia is selling it anymore. Think I paid something like about $550 for it bundled together with a couple of 16f84's

[mister_e]

and then ?

[T.Jackson]

and then ?

And then I started developing PIC-Based projects and people began to get these crazy ideas in their heads that I had inventions. I'd like a full refund on my PBP purchase thanks. Where's the complaints department?

[paul borgmeier]

I"ve had PBP since about 2002. To my knowledge, no one in Australia is selling it anymore. Think I paid something like about $550 for it bundled together with a couple of 16f84's

Looks like you got took

http://www.dontronics-shop.com/produ...roductid=16216

Best Regards,

[T.Jackson]

I think things tend to be a bit cheaper if you buy them off the net. I think also that PBP has dropped a bit in price over recent years.

[mackrackit]

I"ve had PBP since about 2002. To my knowledge, no one in Australia is selling it anymore. Think I paid something like about $550 for it bundled together with a couple of 16f84's

What is your point?

And the price today is about the same as it was in 2000. (to the best of my memory)

[skimask]

What is your point?

And the price today is about the same as it was in 2000. (to the best of my memory)

Yep, PBP still costs $250USD, and I bought it back in late '98, still got the receipt. I guess that's about $301AUD, which, with the extra 'F84's and a board or two, might come up to around $550 or so.

[T.Jackson]

Yep, PBP still costs $250USD, and I bought it back in late '98, still got the receipt. I guess that's about $301AUD, which, with the extra 'F84's and a board or two, might come up to around $550 or so.

The Australian dollar is currently much stronger than it was back in 98. Back then, general rule of thumb was about double. $250 USD equated to about $500 AUS.

[Ioannis]

And finally is Melabs going to read your wishes and do something about it or are we reading the wishes only by ourselves and waisting time?

Sure it is a good product doing what exactly is specified to do. And that's it.

If they are going to develop it to compete other similar products, is something that only the team of the company knows and nobody else. In my humble opinion, the product has reached the end of its life and only new devices may be added for the future releases. A major upgrade would lead to a different product especially to be compatible with Vista. So...

Ioannis

[Melanie]

I've said this (in various ways) before, but I'll repeat it again…

You buy a screwdriver for your toolkit. It screws really well and works as advertised – it screws those screws without damaging their heads and leaves a professional clean result. Over time, the screw manufacturers change the head to a Philips, or a Torx or a Star or a Hex. And in response that original screwdriver manufacturer brings out a new tip that's compatible, so your screws can still be screwed professionally and cleanly.

Meanwhile, other manufacturers have brought out Ratchet Screwdrivers and Cordless Screwdrivers, and although those other screwdrivers for sure claim to be quicker or easier to use with more features like textured grip handles, but sometimes they also mess up the heads of those screws and really they might not leave a solid professional job, although admittedly everyone can see they're quicker and easier to use especially for the inexperienced or hobbyist or DIYer.

Meanwhile, that trusty old screwdriver in the bottom of the toolbox just goes on and on, doing not only the job it was originally bought to do, but doing it with a lot of the newer kinds of screws that have come onto the market.

Now I'm talking about a screwdriver here, but you can read into it any way you want.

Some folks just get on with it, some folks just whinge…

[Pic_User]

...some folks just whinge…

Hey, I had to look-up (Google) whinge.
Even my spell checker hic-cupped on it.

Where did I find it, first Google hit?
The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language!

I am now adding it to my everyday vocabulary., as I have also added whilst and other useful verbiage.
Other North Americans, think I talk funny. (except mister_e)

Thanks,
-Adam-

[mister_e]

You don't want to hear me A perfect mix of bad and pretty bad English + Quebec French accent

http://wsu.edu/~brians/errors/errors.html#errors

[Melanie]

Adam - Start by junking Websters dictionary (together with all his miss-spellings). I always harboured the thought that the good folks of New England were ready to adopt the Queens English proper and rejoin the Commonwealth. Perhaps that was the real reason for the Queens reconnoiter last week...

[Pic_User]

Oh, that explains why the Queen visited.
When I heard she was coming to America, I started hiding all the tea!
Thought it was a tax collection expedition.

It really is nice to see all the different spellings and word uses in this international forum. Not just the misspellings, which are fun too. The phrases that are very close to our local vernacular, remind us where we come from.

BTW - The spelling differences are because, we shaved letters out of the Queens English, so we could recycle them into new words! (less code space too)
Consider my Webster’s dictionary junked.

Cheers,
-Adam-