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    Default 12F683 2 x PWM Outputs

    I'm trying to produce two pwm streams from a single 12F683 chip.

    The first is fairly easy, a 20khz (25 or 50%) duty cycle for which i can use the chip pwm pin and module.

    The second is much slower 2khz variable between 10-90% duty.

    I'll need to use a simple high/low on a standard output pin and then some timming and/interrupts to maintain the second pwm output whilst the program services the rest of it's duties.

    Can anyone offer an example or some ideas please?

    The rest of the program is very simple, a few high/low outputs and one ADC input (joystick) which will be used to vary the 2khz pwm duty cycle.

    The adc etc only needs checking say every 1/10th of a second so most of the chip time can be dedicated to the 2khz pwm.

    I could use a second 12F683 and have done in the past but wan't to try and cram it all onto a single chip.

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    DT's software PWM should work:

    http://darreltaylor.com/DT_INTS-14/SPWM.html
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    Since the 2-KHz PWM period (500-usecs) and duty cycle interval (50-usecs) is an exact multiple of the 20-KHz PWM period (50-usecs), I don't see why you couldn't use the PWM Timer 2 interrupt to update both PWM streams. That is unless interrupt code overhead becomes a significant portion of the 100 instruction cycles available between interrupts (using an 8-MHz clock).

    Please forgive me for the pseudo C example (I don't have PBP).

    Regards, Mike

    Code:
    ;******************************************************************
    ;  // setup PWM for a 50-usec period (8-MHz INTOSC, Timer 2
    ;  // prescale 1:1, and PR2 = 99)
    ;
    ;  char duty1 = 50;             // 20-KHz duty cycle, 25 or 50
    ;  char duty2 = 1;              // 2-KHz duty cycle, 1..9 (10%..90%)
    ;  char pwm2 = 9;               // preset 2-KHz duty cycle counter
    ;
    ;  void interrupt()             // 50-usec interrupt intervals
    ;  { pir1.TMR2IF = 0;           // clear timer 2 interrupt flag
    ;    ccpr1l = duty1;            // update PWM1 (20-KHz) duty cycle
    ;    pwm2++;                    // increment PWM2 period counter
    ;    if(pwm2 == 10)             // if end of 500-usec period
    ;    { pwm2 = 0; gpio.1 = 1;    // reset counter, turn output "on"
    ;    }                          //
    ;    if(duty2 == pwm2)          // if PWM2 duty cycle match
    ;      gpio.1 = 0;              // turn PWM2 output "off"
    ;  }                            //
    ;

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    Thanks for those good ideas. I'll post some code when I have it on breadboard and tested with scope.

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    Just resurecting this thread does Mikes idea below look feasible in PBP running at 8mhz on a 12F683? Can I use DT interrupts on timer 2 IT flag if it is being used by the HPWM module to maintain the 20khz pwm ?

    Any other brilliant ideas or code examples?


    Quote Originally Posted by Mike, K8LH View Post
    Since the 2-KHz PWM period (500-usecs) and duty cycle interval (50-usecs) is an exact multiple of the 20-KHz PWM period (50-usecs), I don't see why you couldn't use the PWM Timer 2 interrupt to update both PWM streams. That is unless interrupt code overhead becomes a significant portion of the 100 instruction cycles available between interrupts (using an 8-MHz clock).

    Please forgive me for the pseudo C example (I don't have PBP).

    Regards, Mike

    Code:
    ;******************************************************************
    ;  // setup PWM for a 50-usec period (8-MHz INTOSC, Timer 2
    ;  // prescale 1:1, and PR2 = 99)
    ;
    ;  char duty1 = 50;             // 20-KHz duty cycle, 25 or 50
    ;  char duty2 = 1;              // 2-KHz duty cycle, 1..9 (10%..90%)
    ;  char pwm2 = 9;               // preset 2-KHz duty cycle counter
    ;
    ;  void interrupt()             // 50-usec interrupt intervals
    ;  { pir1.TMR2IF = 0;           // clear timer 2 interrupt flag
    ;    ccpr1l = duty1;            // update PWM1 (20-KHz) duty cycle
    ;    pwm2++;                    // increment PWM2 period counter
    ;    if(pwm2 == 10)             // if end of 500-usec period
    ;    { pwm2 = 0; gpio.1 = 1;    // reset counter, turn output "on"
    ;    }                          //
    ;    if(duty2 == pwm2)          // if PWM2 duty cycle match
    ;      gpio.1 = 0;              // turn PWM2 output "off"
    ;  }                            //
    ;

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    If you only need 9 steps in your 2Khz PWM (10% each step), then Mikes idea will work just fine.

    If you want 80 steps between 10-90%, I think you can use SSPWM ...
    http://www.pbpgroup.com/modules/wfse...hp?articleid=6

    The article lists lower maximum frequencies because it can't get 1% resolution so close to the start and end points. But if you only need 10-90%, it should be OK.

    If you plan on using it, I will test it to make sure.
    Since this thread was from last February, I have doubts.
    DT

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    Thanks for the reply. I do plan on doing something with this in due course. My chip will be limited to 8mhz so
    can it reach 2khz with the limited clock speed. 80 points resolution would be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retepsnikrep View Post
    Thanks for the reply. I do plan on doing something with this in due course.
    Great confidence I have now ... NOT!

    Oh well, more things to do tomorrow I have ....
    Tonight, I do this ...
    Next year, you may try it.

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    Code:
    DEFINE OSC 8
    
    SPWMpin  var GPIO.5     ' Output Pin for SSPWM
    INCLUDE "SSPWM.inc"     ' include the SSPWM module
    
    ;----[Constants]------------------------------------------
    HPWMfreq        CON 20000
    Freq = 2000             ' Set Frequency of SSPWM (word)
    
    ;----[Variables]------------------------------------------
    HPWMduty        VAR BYTE
    LastHPWMduty    VAR BYTE
    SSPWMduty       VAR BYTE
    
    ;----[Initialize]-----------------------------------------
    OSCCON = %01110000      ' 8Mhz
    ANSEL = %000011         ' AN0 and AN1 ANALOG
    DutyCycle = 10          ' Set Duty Cycle of SSPWM
    gosub StartSPWM         ' Start SSPWM @ Freq/DutyCycle
    HPWM 1, 127, HPWMfreq   ' Start 20Khz PWM @ 50%
    
    ;----[Main Program Loop]---------------------------------
    Main:
        ADCIN 0, HPWMduty
        ADCIN 1, SSPWMduty
    
        IF HPWMDuty != LastHPWMduty THEN
            LastHPWMduty = HPWMDuty
            HPWM 1, HPWMDuty, HPWMfreq
        ENDIF
    
        
        DutyCycle = SSPWMduty*80/256+10  ' scale SSPWM dutycycle
        gosub SetSPWM                    ' Change SSPWM DutyCycle
    GOTO Main
    Dutycycle of the 2Khz is 10% in the image.
    Both dutycycles are adjustable from the pots, and works from 10% to 90%, (0 to 100% for the HPWM).

    Don't forget to comment the wsave vars not used by the 683 in the .inc file.

    Happy Holidays.
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    Incredible I was envisaging pages of code! many thanks to Darrel

    Could you post that Isis code and hex code as i have it and would like to look at the simulation.
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    Could you post that Isis code and hex code...
    Here ya go.
    Attached Files Attached Files
    DT

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    Darrel

    Can you tell me the version of issis/proteus you are using i can't load it, my version is 7.4 SP2

    Cheers

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    7.8 SP0 (beta)

    If your license is up to date, you should be able to run the update manager and get the latest version.
    DT

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    Back to breadboard then it will cost be a fortune to upgrade suffciently to run it. Thanks anyway.
    I only have the picaxe VSM lite software which doesnt support simulating plain pics etc anyway.

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    Talking Thanks

    Thanks to all those who helped with this i have had this breadboarded and working in my pic on bench today, it works great. What a forum incredible. Now to design my pcb.

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    Daryl

    I bought Proteus and can now load your program but get 1 error on simulation which says.

    "Not Built requires PBPW"

    Any ideas?

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    I think I had it pointing to PBPW at the time.
    Proteus saves the compiler path in the .dsn file.

    Go to ... Source > Add/Remove Source code files..
    Change the "Code Generation Tool" drop-down box so it points to your installation. (PBPMPLAB)
    DT

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    Nope same error

    Can you post exactly whats in your source code boxes?

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    Here's the way that one was setup. But you should change it to use COF instead of HEX and add the -K# command line option.
    And make sure your compiler setup is working with a new design.

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    Thanks working now.

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    I've upgraded to a 16F88 chip now.

    Just a thought, is it possible for SSPWM to use TMR0 instead of TMR1 on the 16F88 bearing in mind my 2khz
    PWM requirement with variable 10-90% duty in 1% steps?

    I'm not complaining SSPWM works well but freeing up TMR1 would let me use it for my
    speedo routine.

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    Well, you could certainly write a program that uses TMR0 to generate frequencies.
    But SSPWM will not do it.

    It needs a 16-bit timer to meet the published Frequency/Dutycycle range.
    DT

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    I am a issue to my code.. It can't resolved. What can I do.. I'll show here my source code boxes then please you help me out .......
    I hope this community members can help me.

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    Default Re: 12F683 2 x PWM Outputs

    I do not want to make new thread so I will ask here:

    Can someone help me with rewriting the code (I do not understand asm - please don't laugh at me) - I need single channel SPWM fixed 95% duty with 85 Hz from 12F683 to drive LEDs (and perhaps extend their life)?

    Many thanks in advance!!!

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    First, Im not going to laugh at you not understanding ASM, I don't either. but your on a forum for pick basic pro, so ASM is almost a moot point. What your wanting to do is only 1 line of code other than your pin setting statements. and is easily available in every pic basic pro manual, and instructional book out there. its probobly under the HPWM code, the 683 is a great chip for that exact code, as thats the same I am using for that purpose except im not driving leds.
    You really should try doing a search before posting a question, ive seen this code in the forum, I know im bad about asking questions that are already out there too, but I do try to look up some of the answers first.
    Also Dont use others posts to ask a question that doesnt really help that persons post get answered, the post here is how to drive 2 PWM from a 683 chip, as far as I know it cant be done, and it looks like they have went to another chip to solve this. this thread should be on its way to being a dead thread. However if someone keeps adding other info in it keeps it alive and will hinder people that are looking at the article for info, they dont find what their looking for. Go ahead and post a thread with your question, there may be someone out there that needs that direct question answered later on and your thread could help, where the tile of this one would not.

    I will answer your question with a direct statement out of an instruction book

    HPWM
    HPWM Channel, Dutycycle, Frequency
    Some PIC microcontrollers have one or more built-in circuits to generate pulse width–modulated
    square-wave signals (PWM). For example, PIC16F877 has two PWM Channels. Channel 1 is
    known as CCP1 (also PORTC.2) and Channel 2 is known as CCP2 (also PORTC.1).
    Dutycycle can vary from 0 to 255 which corresponds to 0% (low all the time) to 100% (high all
    the time), respectively. A value of 127 gives 50% duty cycle. The highest Frequency is 32,767 Hz,
    and on microcontrollers with two channels, the Frequency must be the same on both channels.
    The PWM signal is output from the specified pin continuously in the background while the program
    executes other instructions.

    In the following example, a 1 kHz, 50% duty cycle PWM signal is generated from Channel 1
    (CCP1) of a PIC16F683 type microcontroller:
    HPWM 1, 127, 1000

    this is copied directly from 30 Projects Using PIC BASIC and PIC BASIC PRO
    this book came out in 2006, and is available on Google Books for free.
    it pretty much teaches you everything you need to know.

    I

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    Thank you very much for your answer!

    Of course I tried HPWM and I use 30 Projects Using PIC BASIC and PIC BASIC PRO as my Bible in programming, but it cannot give such low frequency as 85 Hz.

    Apologies again for posting in thread with other topic, and I know that is annoying to make first post with question… I searched the entire web for tips for that for a long time – and recently found DT SPWM (many thanks for that) where frequencies below 255 Hz are possible. I just didn’t find someone made it with 12F683…
    Anyway probably I will find time this weekend to try the code in this thread without changes in PWM, something like that:

    Code:
    DEFINE OSC 8
    
    SPWMpin var GPIO.5 ' Output Pin for SSPWM
    INCLUDE "SSPWM.inc" ' include the SSPWM module
    
    ;----[Constants]------------------------------------------
    ;HPWMfreq CON 20000
    Freq = 85 ' Set Frequency of SSPWM (word)
    
    ;----[Variables]------------------------------------------
    ;HPWMduty VAR BYTE
    ;LastHPWMduty VAR BYTE
    SSPWMduty VAR BYTE
    
    ;----[Initialize]-----------------------------------------
    OSCCON = %01110000 ' 8Mhz
    ;ANSEL = %000011 ' AN0 and AN1 ANALOG
    DutyCycle = 10 ' Set Duty Cycle of SSPWM
    gosub StartSPWM ' Start SSPWM @ Freq/DutyCycle
    ;HPWM 1, 127, HPWMfreq ' Start 20Khz PWM @ 50%
    
    ;----[Main Program Loop]---------------------------------
    Main:
    ;ADCIN 0, HPWMduty
    ;ADCIN 1, SSPWMduty
    
    ;IF HPWMDuty != LastHPWMduty THEN
    ;LastHPWMduty = HPWMDuty
    ;HPWM 1, HPWMDuty, HPWMfreq
    ; ENDIF
    
    
    ;DutyCycle = SSPWMduty*80/256+10 ' scale SSPWM dutycycle
    
    DutyCycle = 95        ' set 95% nominal SSPWM dutycycle
    gosub SetSPWM       ' Change SSPWM DutyCycle
    GOTO Main
    Maybe after all I will not need changes in ASM.

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    Default Re: 12F683 2 x PWM Outputs

    Hi,
    I copied the program into Microcode Studio and when I compile it I get
    the following errors:

    ERROR: Variable wsave3 position request 416 beyond RAM_END 191.
    ERROR: Variable wsave2 position request 288 beyond RAM_END 191.

    I Googled the errors and searched the forum but cant find an answer.

    Please help.
    Hebemabo

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    Which program, exactly are you talking about? There are several ones in this thread - is it one of them?
    And what PIC are you aiming to use and have you selected that particular one in MicrocodeStudio?

    /Henrik.

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    Hello Henrik , its the code just before my reply. The one by deodeo.

    I am programming a 12F683 using PBPro , Microcode Studio , MPASM and Pickit2.
    I have selected 12F683 in MicrocodeStudio.
    Last edited by Hebemabo; - 23rd July 2021 at 15:31.

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    Just like DT's interrupt routines, you some times need to comment out a few lines in the include file

    Look inside "SSPWM.inc"

    Code:
    ' --- IF any of these three lines cause an error ??  Simply Comment them out to fix the problem ----
    wsave1      var byte    $A0     SYSTEM          ' location for W if in bank1
    wsave2      var byte    $120    SYSTEM          ' location for W if in bank2
    wsave3      var byte    $1A0    SYSTEM          ' location for W if in bank3
    ' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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    Default Re: 12F683 2 x PWM Outputs

    Thank you very much Mark.

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