Help ! New to programming and building a time Machine !

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- 29th January 2008, 02:21
Archangel

Help ! New to programming and building a time Machine !

Screeeeeech, Crash Boom ! That is what the Guru's hear when they see a newbie post like this.
ATTENTION ALL NOOBS! ATTENTION ALL NOOBS ! ATTENTION ALL NOOBS !
From one newbie to another, ( I consider myself a newbie having 1 1/2 year at this ) Do not do
this to yourself. 1st you buy the books, and the compiler, you order some chips . . . you ever
wonder why all the books recommend the 16F84 ? It's no accident, it is because it is simple to get
working!
So do not buy the 18Fxxxxx whatever or anything but what you see supported in your books. . .
YET ! There is time Grasshopper ! Get your blinky working first! THEN, repeat, THEN get your
LCD to say " Hello World" Just like learning every other programming language ! It is far better
to make simple projects work, than to make a complex FAILURE. 
After all that, learn how to count with loops, learn how use each command one at a time.
Then learn about timers and interrupts, all can be done with that 16F84, sure there are better chips
and you will get to them, but you need a foundation or the house will fall.
It makes no sense to try to work with a chip with 44 SMD type pins to blink a dozen LEDS,
especially when that device causes severe brain damage trying to set up some 2 dozen registers
just to work, and considering NEWBIE, YOU very likely have never before read a Micros Data sheet
and have no idea what you are reading means, Those things are not written for Fresh Newbies
and as such you have to learn the language, yes here is where you start to learn, welcome !

One big thing ALL of the books I have purchased neglects, are how to set the config fuses.
Good Fortune to you, Melanie has posted a comprehensive tutorial on the matter, and by the time
you have need to know more, you will have some understanding of the DATA Sheets, and of
MPASM and of .inc files, and will be able to hunt for the answers.
http://www.picbasic.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=543

Good Luck, Good Fortune, and Welcome
JS
- 29th January 2008, 03:09
mackrackit

I agree with you Joe. It is so easy to have big plans and want to make something work. Hard to sit down and study. If people would just realize that the simple projects will quickly lead to the complex.

but...what about the time machine? I figure all you have to do is blink an LED backwards.
- 29th January 2008, 13:16
BobK

Hi Joe,

Thank you for the write up. There should be some sort of requirement to "read this first" before being able to log on but that would deter the people that are in a "hurry" to finish a complete design by tomorrow morning.

It's frustrating!

We were all noobs at one time or another! As for the time machine idea, I think you will need a bigger PIC or maybe many PICs with an RS485 link between them all.

BobK
- 29th January 2008, 14:04
skimask

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobK

As for the time machine idea, I think you will need a bigger PIC or maybe many PICs with an RS485 link between them all.
BobK

The new PICs coming on line have a QFI (Quantum Foam Interface) module for instantaneous submolecular state transposition, as well as employing a MPTE (Multi Phase Turbo Enacabulator)...see below...

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Engineers last week were avidly reading a pamphlet published by Arthur D. Little, Inc., a venerable Cambridge, Mass, chemical and engineering research firm. Title: The Turbo-Encabulator in Industry. Excerpts: " ... Work has been proceeding in order to bring perfection to the crudely conceived idea of a machine that would not only supply inverse reactive current for use in unilateral phase detractors, but would also be capable of automatically synchronizing cardinal grammeters. Such a machine is the 'Turbo-Encabulator'. "The original machine had a base-plate of prefabulated amulite, surmounted by a malleable logarithmic casing in such a way that the two spurving bearings were in a direct line with the pentametric fan. ... The main winding was of the normal lotus-o-delta type placed in panendermic semi-boloid slots in the stator, every seventh conductor being connected by a nonreversible trem'e pipe to the differential girdlespring on the 'up' end of the grammeters. "Forty-one manestically spaced grouting brushes were arranged to feed into the rotor slipstream a mixture of high S-value phenylhydrobenzamine and 5% reminative tetryliodohexamine. Both of these liquids have specific pericosities given by P = 2.5C.n^6-7 where n is the diathetical evolute of retrograde temperature phase disposition and C is Cholmondeley's annular grillage coefficient. Initially, n was measured with the aid of a metapolar refractive pilfrometer . . . but up to the present date nothing has been found to equal the transcendental hopper dadoscope. ... "Undoubtedly, the turbo-encabulator has now reached a very high level of technical development. It has been successfully used for operating nofer trunnions. In addition, whenever a barescent skor motion is required, it may be employed in conjunction with a drawn reciprocating dingle arm to reduce sinusoidal depleneration."

Need I say more?
- 29th January 2008, 16:02
mackrackit

Quote:

The new PICs coming on line have a QFI (Quantum Foam Interface) module for instantaneous submolecular state transposition, as well as employing a MPTE (Multi Phase Turbo Enacabulator)

Would the be MicroChips

∞Fxxx

I bet the data sheet is in continuous loop format.
- 1st February 2008, 01:48
b1arrk5

But my homework is due tomorrow!

Here I've wasted three years on flux capacitors! I hope Darrel gets the time-warp interrupts into Instant Interrupts 2008, I'd hate to miss my worm-hole because I was in a PicBasic pause command, and I refuse to build a time machine that uses assembly language. Will this make Long variables all relative?

When I started programming we used punch cards, and the computer processor had tubes in it. The 'Impact' printer was housed in a cabinet because you couldn't stand the noise. An 18FXXX is more powerful than the computers that put a man on the moon. No wonder that it takes more than an hour to learn all that they are capable of. I've been learning for over thirty years now, and I'm still not finished.

Hey Joe, can I borrow the time machine, my homework is due tomorrow!

Jerry.
- 1st February 2008, 03:35
Archangel

Quote:

Originally Posted by b1arrk5

Here I've wasted three years on flux capacitors! I hope Darrel gets the time-warp interrupts into Instant Interrupts 2008, I'd hate to miss my worm-hole because I was in a PicBasic pause command, and I refuse to build a time machine that uses assembly language. Will this make Long variables all relative?

When I started programming we used punch cards, and the computer processor had tubes in it. The 'Impact' printer was housed in a cabinet because you couldn't stand the noise. An 18FXXX is more powerful than the computers that put a man on the moon. No wonder that it takes more than an hour to learn all that they are capable of. I've been learning for over thirty years now, and I'm still not finished.

Hey Joe, can I borrow the time machine, my homework is due tomorrow!

Jerry.

Hi Jerry,
I remember those big monsters, My Dad worked a while in a computer bookkeeping business
and I remember studying fortran because My Dad had the manuals. Took up the whole room!
That big, Iron Business Machine! I even scrapped one out once, the printer was 600 pounds.

Official forum rules, yer on yer own for homework :)