programmer

i am presently using pbp and mcs+ there is a couple of issues when i try to use the icd and bootloader on some programs timing issues i guess

what i am looking for is another programer that would allow in circuit programing and debuging and not require the boot loader

lookedat several but not sure what to get
would be nice if it was designed to work with what i am presently using

My suggestion would be the MicroChip ICD-2, which run under MPLAB. Of course there's a few clone of it here and there... can't comments on them.

PICKIT 2 is fine, but for now, its ICD is way to limited.

what kind of issues do you have? which crystal speed are you using? (usually 20MHZ works better)

any code example of something you have problem with?

sorry mister e did not explain myself well
looking for something simple mplab is totalally out of my ability

any otherm suggestions perhaps from someone who also has limited knowledge that has tried this

thanks

kiss keep it simple stupid

Yeah KISS engineering... i like that :D

But you didn't answer my previous questions :(

Anyways, a serial communication, a LCD do the job as well and don't require any Bootloader (even if pretty handy) or ICD. Nobody work the same way. I don't use ICD really often. few times a year or so.

Any ICD will be slow, so you may need to enclose some part of your code with ENABLE DEBUG and DISABLE DEBUG.