Qualification for webspace

[duncan303]

I concentrated on funding in the other thread because it was a mechanism which could make the group more cohesive. The outcome speaks for itself, not a good time to pass the collection plate as we all know, The logistics of currency exchange this very day is going to mean that this box of chocolates may end up being a split packet of “hundreds and thousands”………But it’s the THOUGHT that counts.

One of the consequence of the failure and attitude towards organised funding can be seen very clearly by simply taking a look at our sister site, their dongle can be visualised as a military uniform and just take a look to see where they have taken the same proposals. They are like an army; building roads, railways, we on the other hand are looking like a bunch of disorganised reprobate misfit renegade bandits!!. Sure we are holding the fort for Melabs(god knows why, nobody knows!) fielding off thousands of questions from pirated users of software we portend to affiliate with. What kind of twisted moral code is that, sounds like ….. we only steal from the big organisations never from each other.

Queuing to join up for webspace. Upon application.......... ”Badges ??… We don’t need no stinking badges!”


I am still working on a poll, but it may have to wait a little bit as it’s the start of schools half term.

In the meantime who can tell me what the last word on page 35 of the manual is?

[Acetronics]

In the meantime who can tell me what the last word on page 35 of the manual is?



Hi Duncan,

Dunod Editor, a famous french technical editor use the same practice for downloading "complementary infos" ( soft, references ...) to their books.



In the meantime who can tell me what the last word on page 35 of the manual is?



should have been :



In the meantime who can tell me what the last word on page 35 of the LAST EDITION ( not Downloadable ) manual is?



Negative vote ... Lol

Alain

[duncan303]

Hi Alain

you are correct the other day when I posted the same question I qualified the edition, but I thought further and considered the multiple editions, freely available ones etc etc.

Further I know that somebody could use the downloadable edition and that some may have chosen not to purchase a new manual with their upgrade if indeed they have purchased any upgrades, I was attempting to introduce a self verification process. For you this particular method will not work so your qualification to web space would have to come from a differrent method can you suggest one? would you be prepared to send a copy of your invoice to crownhill for example? would you be prepared to purchase upgrades from crownhill etc etc etc

the question was not who cannot tell me, but who can :)


_______

[mackrackit]

In the meantime who can tell me what the last word on page 35 of the manual is?
Which manual are you referring to? I have a manual for my (______) will that do?
You need to ask specific questions if you expect a good answer. :D

[Melanie]

OK, I give up. I've got two versions of the PBC manual and four versions of the PBP manual. Page 35 differs, but ends properly in each of them!

[duncan303]

Which manual are you referring to? I have a manual for my (______) will that do?
You need to ask specific questions if you expect a good answer. :D

Ok fair comments guys..... this is why i am having difficulty composing a poll, to prevent ambiguity i will have to qualify the questions correctly..... jeez you are all soo pedantic makes it really tough going :D :D :D


it's like lets draw straws to see who jumps first and somebody says "but what kind of straws are they".

[duncan303]

OK, I give up. I've got two versions of the PBC manual and four versions of the PBP manual. Page 35 differs, but ends properly in each of them!

Ok I chose pages that differred and that ended in whole words and to qualify I am using the green PICBASIC PRO Compiler manual. but I only have two versions.

So if one had come back "exceeds" or "negative" jeepers!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have just realised Alains post!!

right then I propose and confirm that Alain has qualified for web space.

bit slow on the uptake at this end ,Ill get myself a coffee

[Acetronics]

Hi Alain

would you be prepared to send a copy of your invoice to crownhill for example? would you be prepared to purchase upgrades from crownhill etc etc etc

the question was not who cannot tell me, but who can :)


_______

Hi, Duncan

Here you mix 2 things ... Melabs AND CrownHill ...

As CrownHill is the forum owner, they can fix their membership rules ... whether they are !

Now, Helping Melabs against Piracy is a second thing.

Getting Updates is a third thing - why not proceed as Microchip : one Warehouse delivers only to its countries pool.



For me ... as the French retailer was not serious enough (I did not see any filtering for updates nor, despite I got my license from them, BTW ...) ... I registered at CrownHill !!!

May be a ***limited*** pool of authorized retailers could greatly help against piracy while not reducing sales.



Back to Lester's first question ... ( How would you like a relooked Forum ... ) The mains enhancement , to me, is the Project section, ... to show how Crownhill can offer solutions - with the products it sells ( lol ) -

I too often see people asking ( for free !!! ) for complete Project datas ... not willing to buy programming tools, nor willing to give a cent for brain work.


Programmed chips and PCBs selling would really be a nice business ... to make one's production machines work full time ...

just a thought ...

Want a "live" example ... just look at Jaycar / Silicon Chip / EPE Join venture !!!

Alain

[duncan303]

...


Hi Alain
I apologise not being clued in on your first reply, sorry.


Here you mix 2 things ... Melabs AND CrownHill

By inference, this is absolutely NOT what I have been attempting to do over the last few days, Melbas and the forum are inextricably linked by their very nature, to the contrary I have been introducing various propositions and observations in an attempt to investigate and analyse the relationship, I’m sure you will agree if you review my posts.

As we speak it looks as if guys are working to provide enhanced features to this forum, I just don’t want to be sitting at the dinner table grasping upturned knife and fork just waiting and expecting food to miraculously appear, even if I am just making sure that napkins are on the table that’s something!!

I'm just a guest at this dinner party, I’d like to try and bring a desert pudding if I can.


There is a lot in the remainder of your post, and I want to reply but I really have to go now………half term etc etc


_______________________

And the first word on page 12 Version 7/07 is……………

_______

[mackrackit]

And the first word on page 12 Version 7/07 is……………
The first word on every page is
PICBASIC
:D
Header or body text :D

[duncan303]

The first word on every page is
PICBASIC
:D
Header or body text :D

:D
you will use any device you can not to answer the question :D




how about this then :D


_____

and the last word contained in body text page 184 PICBASIC PRO compiler manual version 7/07 is???

[mackrackit]

The first page in my manual has
1/08
as the last characters.
So I am afraid I missed the version 7/07.

[duncan303]

The first page in my manual has
1/08
as the last characters.
So I am afraid I missed the version 7/07.

Hiya

I only have two manuals 7/07 and 3/04, however I am guessing that this might be a reference to the print run rather the the text, and that the text on all print runs after the last major upgrade (longs) will be substansivly the same.

what did you come up with on page 184 anyway in version 1/08?

__

[duncan303]

Hi Dave

It has just occurred to me something may have been misunderstood, when you asked to qualify body text at the time question posed required the answer DEVICES so I was taking Alains lead by playing on the word just as Alain did at the begginning.

Of course you would not then get the "joke?" but you may have read an aggressive tone from me , this was NOT NOT my intention.

I get the feeling that this procedure might not work out too well after all.

but heres hoping.

Duncan

[mackrackit]

Hi Dave

It has just occurred to me something may have been misunderstood, when you asked to qualify body text at the time question posed required the answer DEVICES so I was taking Alains lead by playing on the word just as Alain did at the begginning.

Yep, me to
Did I missed something :D

This is fun!

[duncan303]

Yep, me to
Did I missed something :D

This is fun!

Yep sure did... you missed a whole blank page.........:D

.....

now whose next


the first word page 181

[mackrackit]

Yep sure did... you missed a whole blank page.........:D

.....

now whose next


the first word page 181
Well it looks like there is a difference in the printings.
184 last word "missed"
181 first word "are"
"device" and "negative" are in the same place.

[Acetronics]

For the Museum ...

I can lend a 11/99 Manual ...

Alain

[duncan303]

184 in 7/07 is blank that was a lame joke on my part

therefore for me missed is on page 186

but the problem is that the first on 181 is "only" so there is a single word justification.

we might be able to overcome two reprints and their justifications but if there are dozens(i dont think). Melanie has already said she has four.......... this could scupper the whole plan captain.

maybe its expecting too much from the latter part of the publication and we could stick to the part preceeding section 5 PICBASIC PRO statement reference which I have as starting on page 41 in 7/07 and 39 in the 3/04. This latter version is of course public I think.

However I need to check the first word on page 23

anyway I really really must go, I will of course be popping back in later on.

[rxforspeed]

184 in 7/07 is blank that was a lame joke on my part

therefore for me missed is on page 186

but the problem is that the first on 181 is "only" so there is a single word justification.

we might be able to overcome two reprints and their justifications but if there are dozens(i dont think). Melanie has already said she has four.......... this could scupper the whole plan captain.

maybe its expecting too much from the latter part of the publication and we could stick to the part preceeding section 5 PICBASIC PRO statement reference which I have as starting on page 41 in 7/07 and 39 in the 3/04. This latter version is of course public I think.

However I need to check the first word on page 23

anyway I really really must go, I will of course be popping back in later on.

I must have the same manual as Dave, because he's got the first word on pg. 181, "are", last word on pg. 184 "missed", and Alain's "negative" as the last word on pg. 35. This is the only manual I own, from the first PBP version I've ordered (V2.50b-ordered on 9/12/08 invoice number 1022472 from melabs). The last page of section 4 in my manual (the part preceeding section 5) is on pg. 40, with the last word being "operation.". The first word on pg. 23 is "however". HOWEVER...the PDF version of the manual I have downloaded on my notebook has the exact same information as the physical manual that's currently in my lap...

Maybe asking for the invoice number from the last upgrade/crossgrade (in my case)/initial purchase along with the terminal ID from the merchant (attached on the receipt stapled to the melabs invoice) or some other similar means of verification would be in order. The "terminal ID" number on all three melabs invoices I have is the same 22 digit number since I ordered the PBP crossgrade back in September. My original PBC purchase was made from Images Co. around April of this year (invoice not in my hands at the present time). There are really too many variables and companies to order PBP from (including Amazon.com and www.rentron.com, among many others) to get a singular acceptable response/answer to determine "rightful" owners of the software versus "pirated" versions (I believe a friend of mine had seen a V2.46 on "www.piratebay.com", or another "file-sharing/thieving" website)...

-Adam Collins

Disclaimer: Adam Collins has NEVER downloaded files of any format or kind from "Pirate Bay" or other file-sharing sites. He has, however, years ago, downloaded music from sites such as Limewire and Napster. He no longer visits these sites or "steals" files, whether music, copyrighted software, movies (although I have watched a few "pirated" movies at friends' homes in the past few months), or files of any kind. All programming software currently owned by Mr. Collins had been fully paid for with hard-earned money, except for the freely downloadable software like "ICPROG" and "WINPIC800"...

[duncan303]

Hi Adam,

Just looked on melabs site and they are providing 1/08 as a free download, so I think that the manual avenue is probably(and always was) a dead end. I had in mind a combo box linked to a relational database of text and positions, quite fun but I promised to dig a bit of the garden up for vegetable patches.

I know everybody has said I told you so.......but.....................

this, I guess,leaves only a few avenues:
The first requires distributor's cooperation, which was to confirm the users forum name against an invoice database, the other is for the applicant to fax through proof of purchase to somebody who would have to sift through them, lots of work for a single person. The applicant agrees to purcghse future upgrades only from a cooperating distributor, (I think Bruce and Lester are on the list).......... anybody else out there?

and the third.... the program itself and its medium, the compiler is distbibuted on floppy's and more recently on cd's. There does not appear to be any unique identifiers in the software or on the floppies but on the cd itself, there are two sets of numbers. One set is obvious the other may be more unique, maybe relating to the burner, rather than a batch production of the physical cd itself.

still paddling this old raft........ somebody throw me a lifeline or shoot me out the water.

__________

[mackrackit]

Why should it be up to a discussion board to track piracy for the software?
If MELABS wanted to, they could do like others and have some sort of registration. We have all seem the type, use for 30 days and if not registered the software stops.

An outside forum like this has to be a benefit for MELABS, and as we have learned, it is free for them.

So if MELABS wants to stop piracy of their product, I think it should be up to them.

[Acetronics]

Hi, Dave

The main problem is to know which is the "paid" copy and which is not ...

I bought my PBP in 1998 ( ??? - might be - ) ... but do not have any more the invoice ( lost when changing house ) ... How to prove my purchase ???

BUT, by chance, I had kept the original diskette ( Totally out of use ... BTW ), instead of logically throw it to the waistebox.

How many ones here have a proof , despite their regular purchase ???

Not simple a problem ...

Alain

[duncan303]

Why should it be up to a discussion board to track piracy for the software?
If MELABS wanted to, they could do like others and have some sort of registration. We have all seem the type, use for 30 days and if not registered the software stops.

An outside forum like this has to be a benefit for MELABS, and as we have learned, it is free for them.

So if MELABS wants to stop piracy of their product, I think it should be up to them.

Hi Dave,

I have just worked out why the forum is quiet :D It unnerves me when it's quiet.

So probably not a good day to talk about piracy.

My position is that Lester said that he would prefer any users of any space to at least have a licence to use PBP, also there are others that feel very strongly about the issue and I support them both/all.

Personally I have no need of web space at the moment, if only I had something of interest for others:D, I felt that this was a way I might be able to contribute to the forum.

I have been trying to set up a paypal account (I HATE PAYPAL) so that I might be in a position to contribute to the spamination chocolate box, before christmas.

But I am not going to get anywhere in this old boat.... starting to run adrift


______________

[mackrackit]

Not simple a problem ...

No argument here.

But every time I upgrade I get a new receipt. And if registration was through MELABS then they would have you listed in there data base. I lost my receipts at one time also, called MELABS and I was able to get an upgrade. A long with a new proof of purchase.


I have just worked out why the forum is quiet :D It unnerves me when it's quiet.
Hard weekend of parties? :D

My position is that Lester said that he would prefer any users of any space to at least have a licence to use PBP, also there are others that feel very strongly about the issue and I support them both/all.
I feel strongly about it too. I do not know how a horse thief was treated in your country, but at one time in the USA we had ways of taking care of some one that stole another's lively hood. I know, not making many friend saying that.

One of my friends found a file sharing site with the latest version of PBP, he contacted Jeff over at MELABS. What more can we do from our end?

Personally I have no need of web space at the moment, if only I had something of interest for others:D, I felt that this was a way I might be able to contribute to the forum. I bet Lester could use your help with the new system.

[duncan303]

No argument here.

But every time I upgrade I get a new receipt. And if registration was through MELABS then they would have you listed in there data base. I lost my receipts at one time also, called MELABS and I was able to get an upgrade. A long with a new proof of purchase.


It is my understanding that no upgrades are provided as downloads, that they are all physical disks. Are there distributors globally who are providing upgrades as downloads? I wonder..........

Hard weekend of parties? :D barred from the nightclub again then:D maybe I should use my new paypal account to pay the bail


I feel strongly about it too. I do not know how a horse thief was treated in your country, but at one time in the USA we had ways of taking care of some one that stole another's lively hood. I know, not making many friend saying that. trouble is, what if you simply don't care if someone takes your horse??? Are we not all standing in a row chewing tobbaco and observing "thats wrong that is"

I bet Lester could use your help with the new system. do you mean help rather than hinder :D should I take that as a hint :D

I was a wee bit concerned about Lester's "lawsyers" making suet pudding out of my tail........:D


_______

[lester]

Hi all, lets not get hung up on licensing, after all if MeLabs dont care, it's obviously not a big issue for them. Regardless of my opinion on the matter.

Having discussed it long and hard over a beer or three. I'm persuaded that:


MEL probably have the largest share of the market - why, because of piracy
We should not bar pirates if they make a valid and useful contribution - why? because it helps the community in general if there are more projects and code examples to draw from.
Piracy has helped to establish the MEL product as a global standard
MEL must believe that it's better to have an illegal user of their product, than see that user using a competitors product.


This resource, and any future resource that we make available for the users of MEL PIC BASIC, would not and will not continue to, be the great resource that it is without the valuable contribution made by its users. Without content it's nothing. So if the users happen top be made up of pirates and legal users, then so be it. Together they've made it what it is.

So maybe we should accept that on this forum, piracy is here to stay and we should embrace the pirate users????

[duncan303]

So maybe we should accept that on this forum, piracy is here to stay and we should embrace the pirate users????

well I think "embrace" might be a bit strong, Captain. There are obvious benefits in tolerating some pirates, not all but some, and therefore I understand your considerations for turning a blind eye.

Mmmmmm................. I think I might go and start digging that new vegetable patch.


unless.........



________